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Sedona_Raine
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#25▸ Posted: 07 Jul 2000, 14:12 MST
Update on the practical side: a therapeutic-touch practitioner I trust has agreed to a screen test close enough to Rosa to be uncomfortable, with modifications she accepts in advance. Not my clients, not healing outcomes, just hand detection, because that is the claim her training says she should be able to make and she is brave enough to find out.

We will do it offline with a local nurse keeping the tally. I will post the sheet whether it flatters us or not. Please be decent to her when she arrives. She is not a symbol. She is a person taking a risk in public.
Sedona · a result that only convinces the convinced is not a result
WillowMarta
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#26▸ Posted: 13 Aug 2000, 20:05 EST
Hello. I am the practitioner Raine means. Hospice nurse, TT trained in the late 90s, and yes I know about the Rosa paper. It made me angry the first time I read it and embarrassed the second time because anger is not a rebuttal.

I was taught that I can feel the field. If I cannot tell where a hidden hand is better than chance, I need to know that. I am frightened of the answer and more frightened of teaching something I have never allowed to fail.
Ohio · patients first, doctrine last
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#27▸ Posted: 18 Sep 2000, 10:30 CST
Marta, respect. Proposed protocol, and everyone can throw stones before it runs: 120 forced-choice trials, left/right hand behind screen, random order generated before the session, no feedback until the end, short rest every 20 trials, observer who does not know the sequence, raw sheet posted. Chance expectation 60. Pre-state what result you consider a pass. I would say 75 or more starts to get my attention, and 80 makes me sit up.

Also pre-state what result is a fail. That is the part people forget because hope edits quietly.
the 5% · define the miss before the miss arrives
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#28▸ Posted: 24 Oct 2000, 23:04 GMT
I am going to be unpopular with both Sedona and Occams: this hand test is clean and probably tests almost nothing interesting. If Marta fails, she has failed a crude field-detection claim. Good. But if she passes, we still do not know whether she detected heat, sound, expectation, micro-movement, or something genuinely anomalous. A pass would be provocative, not explanatory.

That is not a reason not to run it. It is a reason not to worship it. The first good test rarely answers the question. It only tells you whether the question deserves a more expensive test.
Cambridge · provocative is not explanatory
moonlit_carol_72
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#29▸ Posted: 29 Nov 2000, 10:16 GMT
Marta dear, please remember that if the gift goes quiet under a screen it does not mean the gift is false. A flower does not bloom because a man with a clipboard commands it to. Some presences withdraw from judgement because judgement itself is a hard little weather.

I will light a candle for your calm, not for a score. You are loved either way. ☾
☾ love & light ☾
Sedona_Raine
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#30▸ Posted: 05 Jan 2001, 08:22 MST
Carol, tenderness yes, escape hatch no. Marta agreed to a claim and a test. If we wrap every possible null in "the gift withdrew," we teach our own side that courage has no consequence. That is not love. That is padding the room so belief never bruises itself.

Marta is loved either way. The claim is not. The claim has to stand where she put it.
Sedona · tenderness is not an escape hatch
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#31▸ Posted: 10 Feb 2001, 07:40 MST
Cross-posting from the scalar gadget thread because the same parasite has found this one: if your "biofield amplifier" has a nine-volt battery, a blinking LED, and a coil wound around a quartz point, it is a craft project with a pilot light. Stop mailing me schematics and asking if the frequency is right.

Frequency of what? Coupled into what load? Measured where? If you cannot answer those three, you have not built a healing device. You have built a small shrine to vocabulary.
K7 · a coil is not a sacrament
WillowMarta
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#32▸ Posted: 18 Mar 2001, 19:18 EST
Results, as promised. 120 trials. I called 56 correctly. Chance would be 60. My best block was 13 of 20 and my worst was 7 of 20. I felt strongest during the best block, which is humbling because my feeling did not know the total.

Raw sheet is with Raine and I am happy for her to post the numbers. I cried in the car, then went to work. I am not leaving TT tomorrow. I am no longer willing to teach hand-sensing as a fact. That is the honest answer I have tonight.
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