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CajalKid
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#41▸ Posted: 08 Feb 2002, 22:18 EST
Bea, I like the graph and hate the inference. A non-stationary effect is a wonderful hiding place for bad measurement. Every time a protocol tightens, the effect gets permission to become more delicate. At some point delicacy and nonexistence have the same public behaviour.

I am not saying your model is wrong. I am saying it is too good at surviving. A hypothesis should not be armour-plated in advance against the most common way we discover we were fooling ourselves.
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#42▸ Posted: 16 Mar 2002, 20:05 CET
CajalKid, in analysis a delicate effect and a nonexistent effect also have the same public behaviour until the work deepens. That is why training exists. The room learns to tell fantasy from transference, resistance from timing, coincidence from a pattern that returns with teeth. You will say that is subjective. Of course it is. The psyche is the subject.

The mistake is to demand that clinical phenomena become physics before they are allowed to be phenomena. Priya may one day find her substrate. Until then, the consulting room is not empty simply because it is hard to instrument.
Zürich · subjective is not a synonym for imaginary
Rey_Sayers
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#43▸ Posted: 21 Apr 2002, 18:10 EST
For the record, because this thread is now getting quoted elsewhere: Stargate did not prove that mind is a field. It did not prove healing. It did not prove microtubules, synchronicity, angels, or any of the private religions people keep trying to hang on it. It showed, at most, that under some protocols some people produced descriptions of hidden targets at rates that made competent statisticians argue in public.

That is enough to keep the file open. It is not enough to write doctrine. The government paid for ambiguity because sometimes ambiguity is operationally interesting. Science has a higher burden than operations. Do not confuse those two just because both used manila folders.
Maryland · ambiguity is not doctrine
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#44▸ Posted: 27 May 2002, 02:02 MST
still no prize application. still no hospital wing healed. still no stock market remote viewing. 8 months of fancy excuses and one nurse failing a hand test. why are we pretending this is hard? real powers would be obvious by now. the rest is people protecting their hobby from daylight.
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#45▸ Posted: 03 Jul 2002, 00:14 MST
[staff] The prize argument has now been made three times. It is allowed. It is also not a substitute for reading the thread. Repeating it every page will be trimmed as noise, not because the point is forbidden but because this is not a bell you get to ring whenever thinking gets difficult.

Equally, "the lab destroys the gift" is not a free pass. This thread remains open because both irritations are being held in the same room. Keep doing that or go find an easier room.
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#46▸ Posted: 08 Aug 2002, 10:35 MST
Small log from my own practice, not proof, just discipline. Twelve regular clients, six weeks, pre-session pain or anxiety rating, post-session rating, next-day sleep note when they remembered. No sham arm yet, so Occams may put the knife down; I know. The interesting thing is not the average drop, which could be rest, attention, expectation, all the ordinary mercy. The interesting thing is adherence: the clients who did the breathing between sessions changed more than the ones who only lay on the table.

That makes my grand energy claim smaller again. It may be that the session teaches a body how to return to itself, and the homework does most of the carrying. I am posting this because smaller keeps happening and I am trying not to resent it.
Sedona · smaller keeps happening
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#47▸ Posted: 13 Sep 2002, 18:22 GMT
Smaller is not defeat. Smaller is where real things hide when the posters have stopped needing them to be cosmic. Sedona, your log sounds more like autonomic regulation than biofield transmission. That is not an insult. Autonomic regulation is not "just" anything. It is physiology doing the daily work of keeping a person alive.

My complaint is only this: do not keep the word energy as a souvenir if the mechanism you are actually finding is training, touch, expectation, breath, and trust. Words are equipment. Bad equipment injures the experiment.
Cambridge · words are equipment
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#48▸ Posted: 19 Oct 2002, 08:55 MST
Priya and I are accidentally on the same side more often than either of us enjoys. The body has fields. The body has rhythms. Touch changes breathing. Breathing changes heart rate. Heart rate changes the electrical and magnetic mess we can measure. This is all real and none of it requires a new force.

If the energy-work people would say "we have a structured way to alter attention and autonomic state," I would buy them coffee. The moment they say "subtle energy transmission," I ask where the transmitter is, what the receiver bandwidth is, and why inverse-square gets the day off. Keep the measurement. Drop the fog machine.
K7 · keep the measurement
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