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#33▸ Posted: 11 Jan 1999, 03:20 JST
[staff] Keep the thread open, but mark the heredity claim unresolved.
Marlow has supplied a partial source list, Lena is checking the chamber identification, and the missing scan remains missing. Further posts should bring primary material or a clear correction to the chain of citation.
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#34▸ Posted: 25 Jan 1999, 04:05 JST
I would weaken the claim rather than discard the question. A contact story could alter marriage rules, taboo systems, status markers, or child rearing, and those cultural filters might then affect selection over many generations.
That is not evidence for imported heredity. It is only a culture-to-selection pathway, and it needs local proof before it carries weight.
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#35▸ Posted: 07 Feb 1999, 04:32 JST
Conceded on the missing scan. Without the plate in front of us, the heredity reading is provisional at best.
I still think contact pressure is a useful frame if we mean pressure on institutions, reproduction rules, and memory, not a direct biological transfer. The stronger version has not been shown here.
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#36▸ Posted: 20 Feb 1999, 05:18 JST
For the myth side, I would keep the sources separated. Mesopotamian apkallu material, the Sumerian king-list tradition, Watchers material from Enochic texts, and later Oannes summaries are not one witness.
They can be compared, but not merged into a single contact record without marking the gaps, dates, languages, and scribal settings.
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#37▸ Posted: 06 Mar 1999, 06:07 JST
The plate description still mismatches the cave catalogue. The ridge line, damaged left border, and figure count do not align with the inventory notes I have.
That does not prove fraud, but it means the quoted image cannot carry the heredity argument until the primary plate or a verified print is produced.
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#38▸ Posted: 19 Mar 1999, 07:11 JST
On the chamber marks, acoustics remains a better first explanation than aliens. The red clusters sit where resonance, torch handling, and movement through the passage would matter.
Pattern is not contact by itself. We should exhaust craft, sound, ritual, and site use before reaching for visitors.
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#39▸ Posted: 01 Apr 1999, 08:26 JST
From the heredity side, the evidence is insufficient. We have no skeletal series tied to the claim, no lineage data, no trait distribution, and no mechanism beyond analogy.
Cultural selection is possible in principle, but the present material does not demonstrate a heritable biological effect.
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#40▸ Posted: 15 Apr 1999, 09:14 JST
Maybe the substrate is not bloodline but archive. Contact traditions can persist by being copied into ritual, architecture, naming, and taboo.
That would make the durable thing a cultural substrate, not a genetic one. The question then becomes what was transmitted, by whom, and through which material chain.
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