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#25▸ Posted: 27 Sep 1998, 21:06 GMT
Still waiting on the Caucasus scan.
Not a paraphrase, not somebody's notes, not a cousin's photocopy summary. Post the scan details or stop using it as the hinge for the heredity part.
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#26▸ Posted: 10 Oct 1998, 08:42 GMT
Here is the source list I promised. Petrie field notes, volume III, pages 118 to 126; Tylor's 1894 appendix on descent marks; the Vienna catalogue entry for tablet V-31; and Armitage's short report in the 1937 proceedings.
The one missing item is the chamber scan that Patel mentioned. I have the citation but not the scan itself, so I will not lean on it until someone can verify the image.
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#27▸ Posted: 24 Oct 1998, 10:15 GMT
I half-agree with the heredity angle, but not in the strong form some people are using. A Baldwin-effect route would not require visitors rewriting bloodlines.
If a contact practice altered learning, diet, mate choice, or child survival over many generations, culture could bias selection. That is much weaker than direct engineering, but it is a real pathway worth separating from the louder claim.
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#28▸ Posted: 06 Nov 1998, 12:03 GMT
On the myth side, I would be cautious. The repeated grammar is not simply "sky being descends, teaches, leaves seed."
In the Akkadian and late Hittite examples the descent term often marks authority rather than motion, and the seed phrase can mean office, clan, or ritual continuity. The parallels are interesting, but they do not yet force a biological reading.
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#29▸ Posted: 19 Nov 1998, 15:27 GMT
Can someone give the chamber plan and plate number for the ochre figure being cited?
I have three copied drawings that could match the description, and only one has the side niche and low sill. Without the plan, we may be mixing a burial wall with a later votive panel.
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#30▸ Posted: 03 Dec 1998, 19:48 GMT
For what it is worth, the chamber acoustics may explain part of the testimony. The low-sill chamber Lena mentions has a standing wave close to a male chant pitch.
If a rite used that spot, a voice from the niche could sound displaced or doubled. That does not explain the heredity claim, but it does explain why "speaking stone" language clusters around that room type.
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#31▸ Posted: 16 Dec 1998, 09:06 GMT
The allele-frequency argument still has a hole. A local rise in one marker after a cultural shift is not evidence of external ancestry unless we have baseline samples, drift estimates, and a reason to exclude founder effects.
I am not dismissing selection through changed practice, but the numbers posted so far cannot carry the contact claim.
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#32▸ Posted: 29 Dec 1998, 13:34 GMT
Primary sources, please. We now have several interpretations resting on a missing scan, a catalogue summary, and copied drawings.
Before this hardens into a theory, I want the exact excavation note, chamber plan, plate number, and transcription line for the descent phrase. Secondary glosses are useful, but they are not enough here.
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