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#17▸ Posted: 13 Jun 1998, 19:04 GMT
I agree the categories have been blurred. I am separating them now: the contact hypothesis does not require a mastered genome, and the heredity language may be cultural before it is biological.
I still think the convergence of descent myths, technical motifs, and unusual chamber use deserves investigation. Lena is also right that the Caucasus plate must be documented properly. I do not have a usable scan to post tonight.
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#18▸ Posted: 26 Jun 1998, 19:17 GMT
I keep losing the thread when heredity and culture get folded into one box. A story can move across a valley in a season. A heritable trait needs mating, survival, and enough time to show above ordinary drift.
If contact happened, the first question is not whether a myth survived, but whether any biological signal could be separated from local ancestry at all.
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#19▸ Posted: 09 Jul 1998, 19:29 GMT
Yes. Culture is a fast carrier and heredity is a slow ledger.
A borrowed sky king, flood tutor, or metalworking patron does not prove a bloodline. It proves contact between imaginations, languages, or priesthoods unless the population data says otherwise.
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#20▸ Posted: 23 Jul 1998, 19:46 GMT
I am not arguing for imported genes as the default. My weaker version is contact as pressure.
A small outside group, human or otherwise, could alter marriage rules, elite selection, taboos, craft status, or survival chances without leaving a clean replacement signature. That would make heredity respond indirectly to culture.
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#21▸ Posted: 05 Aug 1998, 20:03 GMT
Watchers, Apkallu, and Prometheus are useful because they share a grammar: forbidden instruction, altered human capacity, punishment, and a boundary crossed between worlds.
That grammar is not proof. It is a map of what ancient people thought contact meant, and maps still need ground truth.
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#22▸ Posted: 18 Aug 1998, 20:18 GMT
Can we list the actual sources under discussion before the claim grows legs?
For Watchers I assume 1 Enoch and related fragments. For Apkallu, which tablets or catalogues? For Prometheus, Hesiod, Aeschylus, later mythographers, or all of them mixed together?
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#23▸ Posted: 31 Aug 1998, 20:34 GMT
Substrate question: what would the contact pressure act on? Alleles, epigenetic inheritance, kinship rules, food systems, disease exposure, caste endogamy, or prestige marriage?
If the substrate is social, the heredity claim needs to be stated as downstream and probabilistic.
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#24▸ Posted: 14 Sep 1998, 05:49 JST
[staff] Keep source labels precise. Primary text, translation, commentary, archaeological report, and modern synthesis are not interchangeable.
If you cite the Caucasus material, give publication details from the scan, not just memory.
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