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#9▸ Posted: 26 Feb 1998, 20:50 GMT
scan first, theory later
also please no more mystery 1890s translations until someone can actually read the thing
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#10▸ Posted: 12 Mar 1998, 09:12 GMT
The retroviral part still does not work as stated. A vector can insert sequence, but germline targeting in a dispersed early population is not the same as making a stable species-wide trait.
Regulatory changes are harder, not easier. Enhancers are context dependent, pleiotropic, and filtered by development before they are filtered by selection. If the claim is a directed heritable shift, I would expect a narrow insertion signature, linkage evidence, or at least a plausible bottleneck. Mythic timing is not genetic mechanism.
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#11▸ Posted: 25 Mar 1998, 11:38 GMT
Bea, I accept the limit. I should not have described retroviral insertion as if it were a neat lever for redesigning a lineage.
My point is more modest: contact could have supplied pressure, knowledge, or a small biological intervention that later culture remembered as descent. That does not prove the heredity claim, but it keeps the contact hypothesis alive as a historical question rather than a finished genetic model.
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#12▸ Posted: 07 Apr 1998, 13:05 GMT
I am sympathetic to the myth parallels, but they cannot carry the proof. Sky teachers, crafted humans, forbidden marriages, and flood resets recur because societies ask similar questions about origin and authority.
The parallels are useful as a map of where to look, not as a verdict. If we treat every resemblance as contact memory, we stop being able to tell contact from ordinary mythic grammar.
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#13▸ Posted: 21 Apr 1998, 16:22 GMT
Before this moves further into mechanism, can we get the plate and site reports? I mean excavation unit, layer, associated material, catalogue number, drawing history, and who first handled the object.
The alleged Caucasus plate is still being discussed as if everyone has seen it. We have not. A scan is not a luxury here. It is the starting point.
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#14▸ Posted: 04 May 1998, 08:47 GMT
Two practical questions. First, what is the dating chain for the chamber and for the marked surfaces themselves? Charcoal near a wall is not automatically the age of the mark.
Second, has anyone measured the acoustics in the chamber rather than describing them impressionistically? If the claim involves ritual teaching or repeated recitation, resonance and audibility might matter more than the imagery.
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#15▸ Posted: 17 May 1998, 12:10 GMT
On the population side, a trait introduced into a few individuals does not become ancestry for everyone just because the story is dramatic. It needs survival, reproduction, drift or selection, and time.
A strong selective advantage can spread, but it leaves patterns. A neutral insertion can also spread, but usually through bottlenecks or founder events. Without allele frequencies, linkage decay, and comparison populations, heredity talk is only a metaphor.
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#16▸ Posted: 30 May 1998, 15:36 GMT
Question for Marlow and Bea: what would count as the cognitive substrate in this argument?
Are we talking about altered brain development, transmitted technical instruction, symbolic habits, or a social memory of exceptional teachers? These are different claims. A genetic change affecting cognition is not evidenced by the same material as a teaching event that later becomes sacred genealogy.
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