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#73▸ Posted: 05 Oct 1999, 18:14 GMT
Short version: before the flood, kingship descends from heaven and a series of cities rule with reigns in the tens of thousands of years. After the flood, kingship descends again and reigns gradually move toward human scale, though still inflated early on. Different manuscripts vary. The important feature is not one magic number; it is the structure: before, flood, after.
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#74▸ Posted: 09 Oct 1999, 10:45 EST
Those big reigns also live in a number system comfortable with enormous factors. A number can be symbolic, administrative, theological and mnemonic at once. Modern readers keep trying to make it choose only one job.
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#75▸ Posted: 17 Oct 1999, 22:10 GMT
What if the big reigns are not individual kings but dynasties?
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#76▸ Posted: 21 Oct 1999, 18:22 GMT
That is one serious line of thought, yes. Dynasty, city-rule, cosmic order, symbolic arithmetic, theological time, scribal tradition -- all live in the room. Notice how many real possibilities exist before we need an orbital visitor.
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#77▸ Posted: 21 Oct 1999, 13:05 CST
The pattern in this thread: the real explanations are plural and difficult; the alien explanation is singular and satisfying. Satisfaction is not evidence, but it is a powerful drug.
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#78▸ Posted: 02 Nov 1999, 11:39 EST
I still think people are scared of the obvious because it makes humans less special.
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#79▸ Posted: 06 Nov 1999, 09:20 GMT
It does the opposite for me. If humans built systems of law, measure, memory and divine economy from mud, grain, risk and skywatching, that makes the species more extraordinary, not less. Alien rescue is the smaller anthropology.
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#80▸ Posted: 14 Nov 1999, 20:31 JST
Also remember ecology. Irrigation agriculture in southern Mesopotamia creates coordination problems at scale: water timing, salinity, labour, storage, dispute. Administrative sophistication is not magic falling from nowhere. It is pressure finding form.
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