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#25▸ Posted: 16 Sep 1999, 16:54 PST
I work in aerospace systems. We have spent six figures on Y2K testing and our embedded systems are largely fine. The ones that might have issues are non-critical subsystems. The critical flight control and navigation stuff either does not use date fields or has been tested and updated.
The point I want to make: the systems that MATTER have been tested. Financial systems have been tested. Power generation has been tested. Telecommunications has been tested.
What has NOT been tested adequately: the systems that interface with those critical systems. Small utilities in rural areas. Building management systems. Inventory control in warehouses.
So what do you get? Maybe a warehouse inventory system goes down. The warehouse is dark for a day, two days. The warehouse calls a tech, the tech fixes it. Meanwhile there is a story in the newspaper saying "WAREHOUSE GOES DARK ON NEW YEAR'S EVE" and ten thousand people panic.
The real risk is NOT the systems failing. The real risk is the PANIC when small systems fail and the media treats it like Armageddon.
So prepare for a week of mild disruption and a week of panic behavior from other people. That is the actual threat.
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#26▸ Posted: 17 Sep 1999, 08:19 MST
Delta is correct. The panic is the vector. Which is why I have not told anyone in town what I am doing. They will either mock me or panic-copy me badly.
A couple of weeks back the grocery store in town got a new inventory system. On a Friday afternoon the register systems all went down for three hours. Nothing to do with Y2K, just a bad install. What happened? People stood in the parking lot saying they were glad they saw it now because this is what Jan 1 will be like.
Within a week half the town was buying extra milk and bread. The flour shelves were visibly thin. And this was over NOTHING. A software install.
Come January, if there is even a brief regional outage, the buying panic will be real and it will be worse than the outage. That is the threat you should prep for.
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#27▸ Posted: 17 Sep 1999, 10:34 CST
So we agree. Brief disruption is possible. Panic is likely. Cheap insurance is rational. The doom scenarios where civilization ends are not.
I went to the hardware store yesterday to buy some kerosene for a lamp I already own. The shelves are half-cleared of propane cylinders. I watched a woman load twenty-five gallon jugs of water into a minivan and I thought: that woman is preparing for a flood or she is preparing for apocalypse and she is about to discover that water goes bad and takes up space.
The middle ground is: a fortnight of food, a way to heat and light your house if the power goes out for a few days, and enough cash to get you through while the banks sort out whatever minor glitches happened.
The rest is narrative. The narrative is scary. The middle ground is cheap. Do the middle ground and ignore the narrative.
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#28▸ Posted: 17 Sep 1999, 12:06 EST
I appreciate K7 and Occams talking sense but I also do not want to be the person caught without food if the system does go down, even a little. I have a family. The cost of beans and rice and canned vegetables is low. I bought a month's worth.
I also took out $1500 cash. Not $5000, not $50000, just $1500. Because if the banks have any issues at all I want to have cash. And if they do not then I spend my $1500 in January like normal.
This is not doomsday thinking. This is: I have a family, I have seen panic buying strip shelves over nothing, and I want to know that my family can eat and access money for a month.
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#29▸ Posted: 17 Sep 1999, 13:41 EST
You are all doing the right thing but you are lying to yourselves about why.
You are preparing because on some level you KNOW. You know the interconnections are fragile. You know that a date bug can cascade. You know that the banks have not disclosed how bad their own exposure is. You know that embedded systems in critical infrastructure have NOT been fully tested and CANNOT be tested without creating a risk.
You are preparing because you understand that denial is a luxury only for people who do not have dependents.
The rest is rationalization. "Cheap insurance." "Mild disruption." These are the words you use to explain your fear to people who would call you crazy.
Embrace the fear. It is rational. Use it.
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#30▸ Posted: 17 Sep 1999, 15:12 MST
Doomwatch is right about one thing: emotions are driving this, not math. But he is wrong about what that means.
I am not denying anything. I am managing uncertainty. I do not KNOW the grid will hold. But I also do not KNOW it will fail. So I make a small bet in both directions: I maintain my normal life AND I have supplies for a disruption. The bet is cheap. The outcome is covered either way.
That is not rationalization. That is actually rational behavior.
Doomwatch is betting big on one outcome. He is selling certainty in an uncertain situation. I would not do that bet and I would not advise it.
What I AM advising: do the middle thing. Food. Water. Cash. Flashlight. One month, maybe two. Call it insurance. Call it prudence. Call it whatever helps you sleep. But do it.
And then on January 2nd, whether the grid held or the grid hiccupped, you move on with your life and you know you made a sensible choice.
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#31▸ Posted: 18 Sep 1999, 07:45 MST
I want to add one more thing because I keep getting messages from people asking me what generator to buy.
Do not buy a generator you cannot run.
That means: you understand how to maintain it, you have fuel, you have a way to store fuel safely, and you know what you are running on it.
I have a small generator. I run it every six weeks for an hour. I know the sound it makes. I know how much fuel it uses. I know what loads it can handle. That is the generator I can run.
If you buy a big generator with no plan, you will either panic-use it wrong and break it, or let it sit unused for years.
A flashlight and a battery radio are not sexy prep. They are the right prep. A kerosene lamp and a can of Sterno are not exciting. They are what works.
Buy what you will actually use. Test it now. Maintain it now. That is the prep that works.
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#32▸ Posted: 18 Sep 1999, 11:39 EST
I want to thank everyone for talking sense here. I came to this forum thinking maybe I should buy a year of food and a generator and a ham radio and a crossbow or something. After reading this thread I realize that was panic-buying, not prepping.
I bought two weeks of food, I have a reasonable amount of water, and I am going to take out $2000 cash over the next month. I will keep some cash at home and some in a safe deposit box. If the grid goes down, I can cook on a camp stove I already own. If it does not go down, I have beans I will eat.
It costs me probably $500 total. If that is the insurance I pay to not worry for the next three months, it is worth it.
Thank you for being the voice of sense in a sea of panic.
sleeping better already |