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Y2K -- what I'm actually doing about the rollover (and what I'm not)
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doomwatch_2012
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#17▸ Posted: 15 Sep 1999, 14:23 EST
OK people, this is NOT a drill. I went to my bank today to withdraw $5000 cash. The teller actually HESITATED. Said they'd need to verify it with the manager. This is what it starts with -- the banks know what's coming and they're already restricting access. Three weeks from now when everyone realizes the same thing, you'll be standing in line with nothing. Get your cash OUT. Now.
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Occams_Razorback
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#18▸ Posted: 15 Sep 1999, 16:41 CST
Your teller hesitated because you asked for five grand in cash without warning and they have daily reporting thresholds. Not because they're hiding doomsday intel. That said -- and I cannot believe I am saying this on a message board full of doomers -- your underlying point has merit. A fortnight's worth of food, two weeks of drinking water, $500 in cash kept at home: this is not expensive insurance. It costs maybe $200 and buys you peace of mind if the grid glitches for a day. It costs almost nothing if nothing happens. So fine. I'm doing it. But the REASON you should do it is not "the banks are failing" -- it's "a brief disruption is possible and preparation is cheap." That's all.
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#19▸ Posted: 15 Sep 1999, 17:34 MST
Let me cut through the noise here because half you people don't understand how the power grid actually WORKS and it shows.

The grid is not held together by a prayer and a COBOL routine. It is a network of generation stations, transformers, and distribution lines. A date bug in a SCADA system -- that's Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition for those taking notes -- can cause localized problems. An operator will notice it. They have backup systems. The Hoover Dam does not run on a Pentium.

That said: IF there are widespread glitches across multiple systems on Jan 1, the result is not "grid down forever." It's "rolling issues for hours to days while techs sort it." Which STILL means you want water and a flashlight at home.

I have 50 gallons of water. A battery bank. A small generator I can run on propane. Not because the grid is falling, but because I understand that complex systems hiccup and it costs nothing to be ready.

The banks are NOT collapsing. The power is NOT going to zero. But "no disruption" and "brief disruption" are two different scenarios and the second one is worth prepping for.
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#20▸ Posted: 16 Sep 1999, 09:12 MST
K7 just said what I've been saying for two months. Listen to K7.

I have been eating from my stored food for the last year. Not because I expect the collapse, but because I rotate stock and use it. A can of beans costs a dollar. If the grid hiccups on Jan 1 and I eat beans that week, I am fine. If nothing happens, I have eaten beans and bought new ones. The math does not hurt.

What I am NOT doing: buying a generator I cannot run. I have seen four people in town buy 6000-watt generators in the last two months with no fuel plan and no understanding of how to maintain them. Those generators will sit in a shed for five years and then get sold at an estate sale. That is waste.

Buy what you will actually use. Rotate it. Learn it now. That is the prep that works whether something happens or nothing happens.
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#21▸ Posted: 16 Sep 1999, 11:47 EST
I have been reading Gary North's site and he is laying out a case that goes beyond just the grid. Credit systems, embedded chips in ATMs, payment networks. The level of interdependency is the actual danger -- you knock one part and the whole thing wobbles.

I am not a doomer. But North is not some guy yelling on a forum, he is an actual economist. So I bought a month of canned food, some water, and I am pulling $2000 out of the bank in October just to have it. The cost is low. The insurance is real.
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#22▸ Posted: 16 Sep 1999, 13:22 EST
Occams is doing the right thing and won't admit the reason. It is NOT cheap insurance. It is rational fear. The banks will restrict withdrawals. The stores will run out. This is not speculation, it is cascade dynamics. Once one person cannot get cash, two others panic, three more withdraw, and THEN the restriction is real.

We are two and a half months from the cliff. Every single person reading this who waits another month will find empty shelves and closed bank doors. I am not guessing.
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#23▸ Posted: 16 Sep 1999, 14:03 CST
I said this before and I say it again: do not discuss your preparations with anyone. Not family outside your household, not coworkers, not forum posters. You tell one person you have six months of food and they tell two people and three months from now you have a problem.

Cash does not advertise itself. Food in a closed closet is invisible. The best prep is the one nobody knows about.

That is all.
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#24▸ Posted: 16 Sep 1999, 14:31 MST
QuietHand is right about noise discipline and wrong about the implication. He is describing a scenario where the social contract fails and you become a target. That is the small-probability, high-impact case. Reasonable to plan for. Not the base case.

The base case is: date bug causes a few hours of chaos, techs fix it, normal resumes. Disruption maybe one week, maybe three weeks if it is bad. Not a year.

For that kind of disruption, your neighbors are not enemies. Your food is not a target. You are just the person with water when the town has a boil-water advisory.

So prep for the realistic case AND keep your mouth shut, because the combination of the two -- preparation and discretion -- buys you the best outcome either way.

Gary North is selling a narrative. I am giving you facts.
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