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BugOutBarb
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#1▸ Posted: 14 Jun 1999, 07:23 MST
Alright, I've been lurking here for a few months and I think it's time to lay out what I'm actually doing about Y2K and what I'm absolutely NOT doing, because I'm tired of the panic talk everywhere and I want to be real about this.

I live on a small homestead in western Montana. Chickens, a big garden, a root cellar that my grandfather dug out fifty years ago. I'm not new to storing food or keeping things on hand -- that's just how you live out here. You don't run to town every time you need something. Winter is five months long. So when this Y2K thing started making noise, for me it was less "oh God we have to panic-buy" and more "okay, I should probably just do what I do anyway, but a little harder."

Here's what I'm doing: I'm putting up more food than usual this year. I'm making sure my water collection system is clean and ready. I've got a hand pump on my well that doesn't need electricity. I'm checking my generator and I've got fuel stored. I'm making sure I have enough kerosene and candles and first-aid supplies. I'm keeping some extra cash on hand -- not paranoid amounts, just practical. I'm testing my heating system now instead of waiting for October.

Here's what I'm NOT doing: I'm not buying gold. I'm not moving my money out of the bank. I'm not moving into a bunker. I'm not panicking. I'm not telling everyone in three counties what supplies I have. I'm not expecting the world to end.

I think some systems will have problems. I think there will be some glitches. I think a few things might actually be messy for a little while. But I also think most of the people in this country have been quietly working on this problem for two years, and they're not idiots. I think civilization is tougher than the fear-sellers want us to believe.

Prepping is prepping. It's a way of thinking, not a panic response. So I'm doing my normal prep a bit harder, and I'm going to get through New Year's the same way I get through everything else -- with common sense and a little bit of elbow grease.

Let's talk about what's actually practical. What are you folks really doing?
Barb
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#2▸ Posted: 14 Jun 1999, 11:47 EST
Barb, that's a solid opening post and I appreciate the tone.

I work as an engineer in embedded systems, and I've been involved in some Y2K remediation work on the industrial side. So let me just lay out what I actually understand about this problem, because there's a lot of confusion out there.

The core issue is real: old software used a two-digit year field. When 00 rolls around, some systems will read it as 1900 instead of 2000. That's not a lie. But what actually breaks depends entirely on what that date field is used for.

If it's in a financial calculation or a historical record or a billing system, yes -- you get errors. Banks know about this. Insurance companies know about this. They've been fixing it. The mainframe shops especially have been tearing through their COBOL code for eighteen months. Are they done? Mostly. Are there stragglers? Yes. Will some systems hiccup? Probably.

But here's the thing that doesn't get talked about: a lot of the really critical infrastructure -- power generation, water treatment, telecommunications -- doesn't actually rely on date logic the way banking does. Your power plant has embedded controllers that count cycles and measure things in real time. They don't need to know what year it is. The date field might roll over and be useless for record-keeping, but the power keeps flowing.

The FAA has been working on their systems hard. The utilities have been working hard. This is actually being taken seriously at a level of resources that would shock a lot of people.

So: yes, prep. Barb's got the right idea. But don't prep because the grid is coming down. Prep because it's sensible to have food and water and not depend on just-in-time delivery for everything. That's just wisdom.
Dan
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#3▸ Posted: 14 Jun 1999, 14:12 PST
Dan, I hear what you're saying, but you're either not seeing the whole picture or you're not willing to say it.

I've read Gary North's work. I've been following this since 1997. The problem is NOT just date fields. The problem is interconnection. You've got systems that depend on other systems. The power plants depend on the telecom grid to send control signals. The water plants depend on the power grid. The financial system depends on all of it. And you've got cascading failures built into every layer.

The government says it's under control. The government also said a lot of things. This is not reassuring to me.

I'm not saying the grid comes down January 1. I'm saying the probability is high enough that I'm treating it like it will. I've got six months of food. I've got water storage. I've got cash. I've got a generator and I've got fuel for it. And I'm getting more.

The utilities say they're ready. But are they ready for the utilities in the next state that they depend on not being ready? Are they ready for the supplier that feeds their parts not being ready? This thing is a house of cards and we built it on quicksand.

I'm prepping for the worst and hoping for the best. That's the only rational position.
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#4▸ Posted: 14 Jun 1999, 18:41 CST
Before anyone else jumps in here, I want to say something that matters more than what's in your pantry.

Don't tell people what you have.

I don't care if it's your neighbor, your sister, your church, or someone on this board. The method matters more than the inventory. The single most important thing you can do is stay quiet about what you're holding and where you're holding it.

If January 1 comes and nothing happens, nobody cares -- you look paranoid. If January 1 comes and something does happen, you become a target. People get desperate. They get scared. They do things they wouldn't normally do. And they remember who they know that had things stored.

So: keep your supplies out of sight. Don't brag about your generator. Don't tell your coworkers about your cash. Don't post pictures of your storage room on the internet. Build quiet redundancy. Know where your water comes from if the pump doesn't work. Know how to cook without electricity. Know where your people are and how to reach them without a phone.

The people running their mouths about how much food they've got and what kinds of seeds they're storing -- those are the ones who won't have it in six months if things get tight. Not because of Y2K, but because they painted a target on themselves.

Prep the way Barb is prepping. Quiet. Competent. Not for an audience.
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#5▸ Posted: 15 Jun 1999, 09:14 EST
Okay, I'm new here and I'm probably going to sound stupid, but I need to ask this.

I don't have anything stored. I live in an apartment in a city. I work a job and I have a savings account and that's it. I've been hearing about Y2K for six months and it's starting to scare me. Like, really scare me. I read something that said the power could be out for months. How do I even start? What do I do?

I feel like I'm way behind.
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#6▸ Posted: 15 Jun 1999, 11:33 MST
You're not behind. You're not stupid. And you're asking the right question, which is: what do I actually do?

First: breathe. Okay?

Second: don't buy 500 dollars of stuff you don't understand because you're panicking. That's how people waste money and then abandon prepping because it doesn't make sense to them.

Third: start where you are. You live in a city. You have an apartment. That's not a weakness, that's just your situation. Work with it.

Start like this: next time you buy groceries, buy a little extra. Not a lot. Just a little. Buy another can of soup. Buy another jar of peanut butter. Buy another box of pasta. You've already got the money in your grocery budget. You're just shifting it slightly forward in time. Do this for the next month and you'll have a little buffer.

Get some water. One gallon per person per day is the basic rule. A gallon is cheap. Buy a couple of gallons this week. Put them in your closet.

Buy a battery-powered or hand-crank radio. Buy a flashlight. Buy some extra batteries. Total cost: maybe thirty bucks if you shop around.

That's month one. Not expensive. Not crazy. Just practical.

By September, if you've been doing this steady, you'll have three months of basic food, you'll have some water, and you'll have light and communication if the power goes out. You'll feel less scared because you'll have done something. And honestly? That's not a bad thing to have anyway, city or no city.

Come back and tell me what you got. We'll walk you through the next step.
Barb
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#7▸ Posted: 15 Jun 1999, 15:22 EST
Anon, welcome. For what it's worth, the fear you're feeling is completely normal. The information environment right now is tuned to maximum anxiety, and everyone's got an opinion about what's going to happen.

Here's what I'd add to Barb's very good advice: understand what you're actually worried about.

Are you worried about the power going out? Then water, food, light, and heat become your immediate concerns. An apartment has limits -- you can't run a generator in an apartment safely, and you don't have much room for storage. But you can have enough for the immediate aftermath.

Are you worried about the banking system failing? That's a different set of concerns. But most people's money isn't in cash anyway -- it's in electronic systems. Moving it around doesn't protect it from a systemic failure; it just makes it less accessible if things go back to normal quickly.

Are you worried about civil unrest? About people getting desperate? That's the only scenario where having a lot of visible supplies becomes a real problem. Which is why QH's point about staying quiet is solid.

Most of the people panicking right now haven't thought through what they're actually afraid of. They're just afraid in general. Which is how you end up with a basement full of freeze-dried food and a mortgage payment and no plan that makes sense.

Think about what matters to you. Start there. The rest follows.
Dan
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#8▸ Posted: 15 Jun 1999, 19:07 PST
I've got to push back on the "everything's fine" narrative a little bit, because the failure modes are real even if the probability is uncertain.

Let me ask you all this: If a major city's water treatment plant goes offline for a week due to Y2K issues -- and this has happened in smaller cities in testing scenarios -- what does a week without water actually look like? What does three days without power look like in January in a cold climate?

These are not apocalypse scenarios. These are reasonable failure modes. And if you live in a city and you're not prepared for three days of no power and no water, you're in real trouble. Not in some doomy future. Right now. In June 1999.

So I'm not saying the world ends. I'm saying: prepare for the failure modes that are plausible, and the margin of safety between "prepared for a week" and "completely fine" is actually pretty small. A week's worth of water is maybe five gallons per person. Food is maybe fifty pounds of shelf-stable stuff. It's not hard. It's not crazy. It just requires you to accept that things can fail and you should be ready.

And then when January 2 comes and nothing happened, you've got food in your pantry. That's not a loss. That's just sensible living.
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