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#9▸ Posted: 16 Jun 1999, 08:22 CST
One thing I want to add to what Dan and Barb said, because it matters.
When you're buying things, pay cash when you can. Not because of some crazy reason, but because transactions have memory now. Your credit card company knows what you buy. Your bank knows when you withdraw money. Digital systems have the same problem Y2K has, in a way -- they record things, and those records travel.
I'm not saying go completely off-grid with your finances. That's not practical for most people and it draws attention. I'm saying: start carrying cash. Start paying for groceries with cash sometimes. Withdraw money steadily, not in panicked lump sums. Make it invisible by making it normal.
This is method, not paranoia. This is how you build something quiet and effective instead of something visible and vulnerable.
And if nothing happens -- and it probably won't be the End of Days -- then you've just learned how to handle your finances in a way that gives you more privacy and control. That's not a bad thing to learn.
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#10▸ Posted: 16 Jun 1999, 13:44 EST
Barb, thank you. I actually feel a little bit better. I'm going to start with what you said -- just buy a little extra when I buy groceries. That feels manageable. I can do that.
I bought a battery radio today and a flashlight. I'm going to get some water this weekend. This feels like something I can actually do instead of just being scared.
I'm also going to keep my mouth shut about it like you all said. I don't want people thinking I'm crazy.
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#11▸ Posted: 16 Jun 1999, 15:28 MST
That's exactly right. That's the whole thing. Do the next practical thing, then do it again, then do it again. That's not drama. That's life.
And you're not crazy. You're being reasonable. Half the people in this country are thinking about this in some form -- the fear is real, even if the outcome is uncertain. The difference is that you're doing something that actually matters: you're building resilience. Whether Y2K is bad or nothing, resilience is always good.
One small thing: when you buy that water, make sure it's plain water in sealed containers, not bottles with vitamin water or flavored stuff. And don't use old milk jugs -- you'll get bacteria. New, sealed bottles, stored in a cool dark place, and they'll keep for years.
The water is one of the first things people think about but also one of the easiest to get wrong, so I wanted to put that out there.
Keep us posted on how it goes. And if you have questions, ask them here. That's what this place is for.
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#12▸ Posted: 17 Jun 1999, 10:15 PST
I want to say something here that might sound negative but I think matters.
Barb and Dan are good people. They're offering solid advice. But I think they're still not accounting for the speed at which things can fail if they do fail. You don't get seven months to gradually build supplies if the financial system seizes up in the first week of January. You don't get to gradually store water if the water treatment plant goes offline unexpectedly.
So yes, do the gradual prep. That's good. That's smart. But understand that if Y2K is bad, it will be bad fast. It will be worse than you think. The systems we depend on are more fragile than most people understand.
I'm not trying to scare people. I'm trying to make sure people understand the actual stakes. If there's a fifty-fifty chance that things are fine and a fifty-fifty chance that they're serious, then acting like there's a tiny chance of serious problems is not a rational position.
I'm not saying everyone needs to be where I am. I'm saying everyone needs to be somewhere that they can actually handle a few weeks without outside help. Not for drama. For reality.
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#13▸ Posted: 17 Jun 1999, 14:39 EST
Okay, I'm going to push back on this, not because I think doomwatch is acting in bad faith, but because I think the probabilistic assessment here is wrong and it matters.
The chance that the financial system seizes up totally in the first week of January is vanishingly small. Here's why: the Federal Reserve knows about this. The banking system knows about this. These are people whose entire job is managing systemic risk. They've been preparing for years in some cases. The idea that a bunch of engineers and banking executives are just going to let the financial system seize up is not credible.
Will there be problems? Yes. Will some transactions fail? Maybe. Will some reports be wrong? Probably. Will the whole thing collapse? No. Not even close.
I understand the fear. But fear is not risk assessment. Risk assessment is: what is the actual probability of each failure mode, what's the impact if it happens, and what's the cost of preparing for it.
The actual probability of total grid failure is very low. The actual probability of some glitches and local failures is high. The cost of preparing for "some glitches and local failures" is minimal. The cost of preparing for total grid failure is massive and most people can't do it anyway if they live in a city.
So: prepare for the most likely failures, not the most catastrophic ones. That's just thinking straight.
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#14▸ Posted: 18 Jun 1999, 09:02 MST
I'm going to say something that neither doomwatch nor Dan has said, because I think it matters and it's the thing I believe most deeply.
Uncertainty is the only thing we know for sure right now. We don't know if January 1 is going to be fine or if it's going to be messy. We don't know if it's going to be a little messy or a lot messy. The honest answer is that we don't know.
And you know what? That's okay. That's actually how life is all the time. You don't know if you're going to get sick next month. You don't know if your job is going to last. You don't know if there's going to be a bad winter. But you live anyway, and you do the reasonable things, and you hope for the best.
Y2K is not different. It's just more visible. We're just thinking about it more consciously.
So I'm not preparing because I think the world is ending. I'm preparing because it's the smart thing to do when there's uncertainty. I'm preparing because I like being self-sufficient anyway. I'm preparing because the act of preparing itself -- of thinking through what I need and what I don't -- is clarifying and valuable.
And I'm not going to spend the next seven months terrified. I'm going to live my life and do my work and do my prep, and on January 1 I'm going to sit down with a cup of tea and see what comes next.
That's the only honest position I know how to take.
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#15▸ Posted: 18 Jun 1999, 16:51 EST
I've read this whole thread and I feel less scared. I don't know if that's because I'm making a plan or because you all seem like sensible people, but I feel less scared.
I'm going to do what Barb said. I'm going to buy water and a radio and extra groceries. I'm going to do it quietly and I'm not going to tell anyone. And I'm going to see what January 1 brings.
Thank you for not making me feel stupid for being scared.
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#16▸ Posted: 19 Jun 1999, 12:33 CST
One last thing before this thread settles into whatever it becomes.
The people who are going to be okay after January 1, whether Y2K is nothing or something, are the people who did the quiet work. Not the people who panicked. Not the people who did nothing. The people who thought about what they needed and built it slowly and kept their mouth shut about it.
That's the mode to stay in. Not panic, not denial. Just quiet competence.
We'll probably all meet back here in January and laugh about how worried we were. And that will be good. But until then, the only thing that matters is what you do today. Not the fear. Not the debate. The work.
Keep doing the work.
QH |