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#41▸ Posted: 23 May 1999, 18:35 GMT
No. I am not reducing gods to metaphors. I am refusing to reduce them to astronauts. A god can be a person in a story, a force in a ritual, a name in a temple economy, and a theological reality to the people invoking it. "Alien" is the reduction here.
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#42▸ Posted: 27 May 1999, 10:20 EST
Ancient-astronaut readings often call themselves literal while flattening every ancient category into one modern category: hardware. That is not literalism. It is technological colonialism with enthusiasm.
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#43▸ Posted: 04 Jun 1999, 22:05 GMT
If Nibiru is Jupiter, why not just say Jupiter?
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#44▸ Posted: 08 Jun 1999, 18:12 GMT
Because names move between astronomical, theological and literary registers. Nibiru means crossing or crossing point in some contexts; it is associated with Marduk in others; Jupiter is one plausible identification in late astral theology. Ancient terms are not modern catalogue labels waiting for us to laminate them.
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#45▸ Posted: 12 Jun 1999, 09:50 EST
This is where my astrology argument overlaps: ancient sky language is functional, sacred and political at once. If you demand that a star-name behave like a NASA object file, you are not being scientific. You are being anachronistic with a pocket protector.
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#46▸ Posted: 12 Jun 1999, 09:31 CST
I hate agreeing with Sue in two boards before noon, but yes. A bad skeptic can flatten the texts as badly as a bad believer. The difference is that Sitchin then builds a planet on the flattening.
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#47▸ Posted: 21 Jun 1999, 12:22 GMT
What would count as evidence for the ancient astronaut version then?
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#48▸ Posted: 21 Jun 1999, 08:40 CST
A text that unambiguously describes non-human visitors in terms not better explained by known divine, astronomical or royal language. An artefact with material or manufacturing properties outside the period and not explainable by contamination. A prediction from the theory that finds a new tablet reading before specialists do. Extraordinary claim, ordinary tablet.
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