Anonymous Coward  (unregistered) User ID: 26441985 From: a VPN, probably |
#137▸ Posted: 24 Sep 2000, 06:40 PST
Better food is still not proof that gods were not visitors.
|
 Resident Skeptic ◆◆◆◆◆ Posts: 16,720 Joined: Apr 1998 From: Chicago, US |
#138▸ Posted: 24 Sep 2000, 08:55 CST
Nobody has proved they were not visitors. We have shown that the claimed evidence does not get you there. The burden is not "disprove my visitors." The burden is "show your visitors are required."
I believe exactly one thread on this board. Guess which. -- the 5% |
 New Member ◆ Posts: 31 Joined: Jan 2002 From: Glasgow, UK |
#139▸ Posted: 06 Oct 2000, 19:30 GMT
The library copy of Atrahasis finally arrived. The flood story is sadder than I expected. The gods are frightened by human noise, which is almost funnier and more awful than any alien motive.
trying to learn before arguing |
 Senior Member ◆◆◆◆ Posts: 4,890 Joined: Jun 1999 From: Leeds, UK |
#140▸ Posted: 10 Oct 2000, 18:16 GMT
That is one of the doors. The flood is not only water. It is population, noise, divine impatience, mortality, bargaining, and the terrible mismatch between human life and cosmic administration. If you flatten it into a disaster report, you lose the machinery that made people keep telling it.
Leeds · the tablets say less than the documentaries claim |
 Senior Member ◆◆◆◆ Posts: 4,980 Joined: Jul 1999 From: Norwich, UK |
#141▸ Posted: 18 Oct 2000, 10:04 GMT
Stories that carry population pressure, resource fear and authority anxiety can persist for practical reasons even when the plot is divine. A myth can be adaptive without being false in the simple sense. It can be true at the level where a society stores danger.
long machinery, small claims |
Anonymous Coward  (unregistered) User ID: 25903805 From: a VPN, probably |
#142▸ Posted: 30 Oct 2000, 13:15 EST
What is the actual earliest source for the Apkallu? Are we using late priest lists again?
|
 Senior Member ◆◆◆◆ Posts: 4,890 Joined: Jun 1999 From: Leeds, UK |
#143▸ Posted: 30 Oct 2000, 19:02 GMT
The Apkallu material is layered: lexical lists, ritual texts, iconography of fish-cloaked figures, later Berossus via fragments, and scholarly reconstructions across periods. That layering is exactly why it is dangerous and useful. You can see a durable complex, but you cannot pretend it arrives in one clean packet.
Leeds · the tablets say less than the documentaries claim |
 Member ◆◆◆ Posts: 612 Joined: Sep 2001 From: Durham, UK |
#144▸ Posted: 03 Nov 2000, 09:00 GMT
And the fish-cloak is not a silly detail. Water is the deep, the pre-formal, the abyss from which order emerges. A teacher from the waters is a civilising figure who remembers the before-time. That is a metaphysical claim before it is a costume description.
the source, then the speculation |