 Member ◆ Posts: 63 Joined: May 2002 From: Harz, DE |
#17▸ Posted: 26 Jan 2001, 17:22 CET
Ich lese hier mit, weil im Harz wieder geredet wird. Ein schwarzes Tier am Rand vom Fichtenwald, zwei Nächte hintereinander, nicht weit von einer Weide. Ich habe keine gute Spur gefunden, nur weiches Moos und viele Hundespuren vom Wanderweg. Also: kein Beweis.
Aber interessant ist, wie schnell die alten Wörter kommen. Meine Tante sagt nicht Puma. Sie sagt "das schwarze Tier vom Berg", als wäre es schon immer dort gewesen. Vielleicht ist es nur ein Hund. Vielleicht ist es auch ein Hund, der in eine alte Geschichte gefallen ist.
Harz · Nebel macht alles größer |
 Member ◆◆◆ Posts: 3,110 Joined: Aug 1999 From: Oregon, US |
#18▸ Posted: 21 Mar 2001, 09:15 PST
Uwe or Harz, if you get another report, look for where the animal chooses to move. A cat will use cover like it owns it. A dog will often crash straight through a bad route because dogs are optimism with teeth. Cats step over, under, around. Dogs churn.
For kills: cats usually take the throat and feed neat. Dogs tear and worry. Badgers will make people invent monsters if they only see the mess afterward. If all you have is "black animal at tree line," log it as that and let it stay small.
Oregon · let small evidence stay small |
Anonymous Coward  (unregistered) User ID: 71390093 From: upland, three hundred sheep |
#19▸ Posted: 14 May 2001, 18:50 GMT
Update since a few asked by mail. The camera has got the same dog twice more, and I know whose dog it is now. There has been a conversation, and the man is paying for the lambs, and that is the boring good news.
I dug out the vet note from September and looked again at my own boot marks in the old photo. You can actually see the ground by the hedge was soft enough to hold a print, and there is none I can see except mine. Maybe rain took it. Maybe the picture misses it. I am not making a mystery bigger, just saying the first ewe still does not fit the dog we caught. Camera stays up.
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 Member ◆ Posts: 33 Joined: Sep 2002 From: Devon, UK |
#20▸ Posted: 07 Jul 2001, 07:33 GMT
Devon report, if useful. Big black cat crossing a lane near Tiverton at dawn, seen by me and my wife from the van. I know fox, badger, dog, deer, and this was none of them. Long tail nearly touching ground. It moved with that shoulder roll domestic cats have, only bigger.
No photo because I was driving and not an idiot. I went back after work and found nothing except one flattened patch in wet grass and sheep on the other side of the hedge all very alive. So it goes in the book as "seen, no sign." I would rather be useless and honest than useful and inventing.
Devon · hedges hide more than birds |
 Member ◆◆◆ Posts: 3,110 Joined: Aug 1999 From: Oregon, US |
#21▸ Posted: 30 Aug 2001, 06:48 PST
Hugh, that is the right category: seen, no sign. It is not useless. It tells us there was a visual report and no physical confirmation after a reasonable check. If ten of those cluster, we look harder. If they scatter, they remain stories.
One note for lane sightings: measure the lane width. A tail "nearly touching ground" sounds like scale until the animal is crossing a lane with no known width in your memory. Write the boring measurements before the exciting words dry around them.
Oregon · boring measurements first |
 Resident Skeptic ◆◆◆◆◆ Posts: 16,720 Joined: Apr 1998 From: Chicago, US |
#22▸ Posted: 23 Oct 2001, 13:10 CST
The thread is doing something rare: generating smaller claims over time. That is good. We have one confirmed dog. We have one private-collection anecdote that is plausible and unverifiable. We have several visual sightings with no sign. We have a first ewe that remains awkward, not magical.
That is what an honest mystery looks like after you take the air out. It does not float as high, but now you can weigh it.
Chicago · deflation is not dismissal |
 Member ◆◆◆ Posts: 1,720 Joined: Jul 1999 From: Toulouse, FR |
#23▸ Posted: 16 Dec 2001, 09:40 CET
I found the small departmental note I wanted: Haute-Loire, 1994, livestock losses attributed first to chiens errants, later amended internally to "grand felin probable" after a hair comparison. No public announcement, no drama, just a change in the file. The animal was never caught.
This is the pattern worth chasing. Not a monster. A file that says dog to the farmer and cat to the drawer. If anyone here has local councils refusing to release the animal-control correspondence, ask narrowly. Dates, compensation, veterinary notes, not "all documents on panthers." Bureaucracy gives up crumbs, not loaves.
Toulouse · ask for crumbs |
 Senior Member ◆◆◆◆ Posts: 5,210 Joined: Apr 1999 From: Trøndelag, NO |
#24▸ Posted: 08 Feb 2002, 18:56 CET
Winter note: snow makes good tracks and bad witnesses. Good tracks because the ground writes clearly. Bad witnesses because every shadow at the treeline becomes larger in snow and headlights. Photograph tracks from straight above with scale, then from the side to show depth. Depth matters. A large dog and a smaller animal can reverse in your mind if one is running and one is walking.
If there is a carcass, cover part of the site with a board before new snow. Lift it later and you have the old surface preserved beside the new one. Primitive, useful.
Trondelag · snow is a sensor if you let it be |