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MUFON_Gail
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#57▸ Posted: 02 Aug 2000, 10:15 EST
An update worth recording: more witnesses who held back for three years are now coming forward, and the late accounts match the early ones with no coaching from us. That is the thing skeptics never quite reckon with. If this were contagion or hysteria, the late reports would drift toward the famous published descriptions. They don't. They include odd private details -- a dog that would not stop shaking, a streetlight that the witness swears dimmed -- that never made the papers. The case file is now over 300 formal entries. We keep the originals.
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#58▸ Posted: 12 Mar 2001, 21:47 MST
The Discovery Channel documentary airs on the 13th. "Lights of Phoenix" -- I've seen the rough cuts at a screening in Tempe back in February. They interviewed Symington (finally with something approaching seriousness), a handful of witnesses who've never spoken publicly, and they got the best of the camcorder footage enhanced and color-corrected. I'm expecting a surge in posts here. If you're new because of the doc, welcome. We have a 4-year archive. Please read the FAQ before declaring anyone a hoaxer or the whole thing solved. Let's keep standards up.
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#59▸ Posted: 13 Mar 2001, 11:23 EST
Watched it last night. Here's what got me: they don't just show the thing. They show the response. Four minutes of footage of official statements, Symington's press conference, the mocking tone, the speed of the closure. One of the talking heads says "within 48 hours, the case was treated as settled" -- and nobody actually settled it. No analysis. No "here's what it was." Just: "mass hysteria, weather balloon, that's closed, next." I've been on this board two years. Why does THAT pattern bother me more than the lights themselves?
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#60▸ Posted: 13 Mar 2001, 16:34 GMT
The documentary reached UK broadcast ahead of the US air date. Worth a direct comparison: Belgium, 1989-90. Thousands of sightings, F-16 intercepts, radar lock. The Belgian government convened an official inquiry. It was treated as a phenomenon. Not proven extraterrestrial, not closed, but treated seriously. Arizona 1997 -- and again in the documentary -- is treated as a punchline. A state governor holds up a prop alien costume. I'm not saying I know what the lights are. But I'm asking: why the uniform decision to ridicule rather than to examine? That's not how science works. That's how power works.
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#61▸ Posted: 13 Mar 2001, 18:05 CST
The documentary is good work. Doesn't change the evidentiary base. The 8:30 formation -- yes, that's an open question. Silent, structured, witnessed by thousands. I've said that for three years and I'll say it now. The 10pm flares -- much less clear, and the documentary knows it. They don't oversell those. As for TrustNo1's "why the mockery" -- that's a sociology question, not a UFO question. Governments are staffed by humans. Humans panic, cover, mock. It's not evidence of alien visitors; it's evidence that bureaucrats are human. Both things are true.
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#62▸ Posted: 14 Mar 2001, 03:12 PST
I watched it on the west coast feed last night. I saw the lights. March 13th, 1997. I was driving north on the I-10 near Casa Grande, heading home from Phoenix. It was about 8:45, I was maybe 20 minutes south of the city. I watched it for maybe a minute. It filled the sky. I didn't report it then because I was scared -- I was scared of being on the news, being laughed at, having my name tied to UFOs forever. Four years I've carried it. The documentary made me think: why am I ashamed of something real? So I'm saying it now. I don't know what it was. But I saw it. It was real. I'm staying anon because I still have a family and a job, but the silence is worse.
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#63▸ Posted: 14 Mar 2001, 09:44 EST
Grabbed the enhanced footage the Discovery folks released. Been working with it frame by frame. The leading edge of the 8:30 formation shows something interesting: the color is too consistent across the entire structure. What I mean is, if this was three or four separate objects, we'd expect parallax shift, color variation due to angle, maybe some trailing. Instead we get a uniform burnt-orange color front. Either it's one very large object, or the lighting is extremely coherent. Could be a sign, could be atmospheric effect, could be video artifact. But it's worth noting. The documentary glosses over it.
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#64▸ Posted: 14 Mar 2001, 14:22 MST
To the witness on I-10: thank you for coming forward. That's the fourth new testimony since the documentary aired. Two others in your ballpark (southern Phoenix county, 8:45-9:15 window) describe the same sense of witnessing something that seemed to move across the entire sky. One of them DID report it to authorities at the time and was told "we have no report of that," which is interesting given the volume of official calls that night. The documentation is building. Not proof of anything. But building. I help keep this thread tidy; I don't speak for the forum. But I do think silence about it four years was worse than noise.
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