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#81▸ Posted: 14 Sep 1998, 16:24 PST
I want to throw something in here because I do this kind of work too, and I have seen misidentifications that would make you weep. The Pacific Northwest has had sightings that lasted YEARS before someone finally realised they were looking at sandhill cranes at dusk, or a barn owl with perfect lighting throwing a shadow with a sixteen-foot wingspread. I am not saying that is what Mothman was. I am saying the first step in serious field work is eliminating the obvious. And the obvious -- barn owls, cranes, maybe even a big cat someone let loose from a private collection -- is a lot more common than people admit.
Mothman_PP, your grandmother saw something. That does not tell us what. Your notes matter because you are not trying to decide what it was. You are just saying "here is what happened to us that year." That is the honest position.
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#82▸ Posted: 22 Sep 1998, 11:03 EST
My uncle used to drive that TNT plant road all the time back in the late 60s. He said everyone was LOOKING for it by then, so of course everyone saw it. You go into the woods at night expecting to see something big with red eyes, you will see it. He never saw anything. Just drove the road like normal. But he knew people who swore up and down they saw it. Good people, too. Not liars. Just scared. And fear makes you see things.
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#83▸ Posted: 01 Oct 1998, 19:42 EST
I listened to Art Bell talking about this last month. He was saying the Mothman could have been interdimensional, something crossing between worlds right at that moment in 1966. The government probably knew and covered it up. Bell thinks the bridge collapse was not an accident, you know? That it was connected. That the Mothman was a warning nobody listened to. Does anybody else think it was a message? Like the thing was TRYING to tell us something?
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#84▸ Posted: 09 Oct 1998, 07:51 EST
I do not think the Mothman was a message. I think the Mothman was what people SAW when they were already afraid. The bridge was engineered poorly and it was cold and the steel was old, and on December 15th, 1967, it snapped. Forty-six people died. That is the message, and it is a message about steel and maintenance and bad luck and winter, not about monsters. The creature sightings happened in 1966, the year BEFORE. So if it was a warning, it was a warning that the bridge was going to fall, and nobody read it because nobody knew it was a warning. That is a hell of a thing to live with in a town this small.
My grandmother would not tell me what she saw because she understood something basic: the moment you name the thing, you own it. The moment you say "Mothman," you have explained it away. What she saw on that road was something she could not name, and that is what she could not talk about. Not from shame. From respect for not knowing.
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#85▸ Posted: 18 Oct 1998, 09:33 PST
Mothman_PP just said something true that does not sound like field work but is field work: "I do not know" is more honest than any explanation. A sandhill crane misidentified is still a sandhill crane, but calling it a monster means you have stopped looking. You have decided. And once you decide, you stop seeing.
To the anon who brought up the interdimensional thing -- respectfully, that is the opposite of the work we are trying to do here. That is an explanation that prevents any further investigation. It is comfortable. But it is a wall.
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#86▸ Posted: 26 Oct 1998, 14:22 CET
I want to return to the Silver Bridge, because Mothman_PP opened something important. The bridge collapsed 15 December 1967. The sightings were 1966. A year of strangeness, then catastrophe. I do not believe the Mothman caused the collapse. But folklore has always done this: the liminal creature appears, the boundary thins, and then something real happens. I think what was happening is simpler and sadder than a prophecy. The bridge was dying. Steel fails slowly before it breaks. Something in Point Pleasant was uneasy that year -- call it the nervous system of a community that half-knew its own infrastructure was rotten -- and the Mothman was the shape that unease took. Not a warning sent. A dread felt, and given a face.
What Keel understood was that you do not have to believe in a physical creature to believe in a real phenomenon. The phenomenon is SOCIAL. It is a community processing information it cannot yet say out loud.
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#87▸ Posted: 03 Nov 1998, 22:11 EST
I drove through Point Pleasant last week on a trip to Kentucky. They have got the festival coming up next month and there are banners everywhere. "MOTHMAN FESTIVAL 2002." The whole town has turned it into a carnival. There are going to be t-shirt booths and someone is selling Mothman action figures. I stood there looking at it and I thought about forty-six people dying in cold water, and I thought about some lady seeing something terrible on a dark road that she could not even tell her grandson about, and I thought: we turned their grief into a souvenir. That is the real monster.
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#88▸ Posted: 12 Nov 1998, 18:34 EST
The festival is in full swing now. It is different every year, bigger and louder and more commercial, more people from out of state come to look for the legend. That is not all bad. Tourism keeps the town alive. But it does something to the story. It turns what was LOCAL and specific and rooted into something generic and transferable, as if you could hold a Mothman Festival in Ohio or Kentucky and it would mean the same thing. It would not. The specificity is everything. It happened HERE, to OUR bridge, to OUR families. The moment you make it a symbol you make it a product, and the moment it is a product the real event -- the real terror, the real loss -- gets further and further away.
I keep coming back for the anniversary anyway. Every year there are more people and fewer answers. That feels right somehow. The tradition is to gather in the place where it happened and admit we still do not know what it was, and that that is all right.
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