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#17▸ Posted: 21 Dec 1996, 14:47 EST
They got him. Serge Monast is dead. Heart attack, they're saying -- convenient, isn't it. The man spent the last year warning us about Project Blue Beam, the four-step plan to fake the Second Coming and usher in the New World Order, and then suddenly his heart just gives out. He told people he was being followed, that his phones were tapped, that he had information they couldn't allow out. And now he's gone.
This is how they work. They silence the voices that matter. The tests will come faster now, without him documenting them. Post everything you see in the sky. Every light, every pattern. We're the record now.
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#18▸ Posted: 21 Dec 1996, 16:23 CST
Serge Monast died of a heart attack. He was not an old man, but it happens -- especially to a man living under enormous self-generated stress, isolated, convinced the world was hunting him. Stress and isolation do terrible things to a heart. It's sad. It is not a conspiracy.
And here is the pattern I want everyone to watch for now: every time something fails to fit the narrative, it gets absorbed AS the narrative. Monast dies of natural causes, and that becomes proof of the plot. There is no outcome that would count against the theory. Which means it isn't a theory. It's a faith. I'm not being cruel. I'm asking us to stay grounded in what we can actually demonstrate.
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#19▸ Posted: 21 Dec 1996, 18:12 EST
Occams, cui bono. A man warns the world about a plot for global totalitarianism, reports being harassed, says his safety is threatened -- and a week later he's dead of a conveniently natural cause. I'm not assuming murder. I'm asking the obvious question that you refuse to ask. Who benefits when Monast goes quiet? Not Monast. Not us. The people he was naming. That's not paranoia. That's just following the incentive.
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#20▸ Posted: 22 Dec 1996, 07:41 GMT
Whatever the cause, a man is dead; let's have some respect and move to what we can actually check. I've been following the "sky test" reports for six months, and nearly all of them have mundane explanations. Lights over Colorado last week -- flares from a military exercise. A "hologram cloud" in Minnesota -- a lenticular formation over high terrain, not rare, not artificial.
I'm not dismissing anyone. I'm saying the moment we call every odd sky event a Blue Beam test, we lose the ability to spot a genuine anomaly if one ever turns up. Rule out the ordinary first. Every time.
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#21▸ Posted: 22 Dec 1996, 11:03 MST
The microwave "voice of God" claim, one more time, because it keeps coming back. The effect is real but bounded: it needs line-of-sight at specific frequencies, it's detectable by ordinary RF gear, it cannot target a whole population, it cannot penetrate buildings reliably, and it produces a vague sensation of sound -- not intelligible speech heard by millions. Monast proposed broadcasting a worldwide Second Coming with it. The scaling alone makes that impossible. If Blue Beam is real, it works within physics. If it violates physics, then it isn't Blue Beam -- it's magic, and we should call it that.
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#22▸ Posted: 22 Dec 1996, 13:29 EST
[staff] I'm pinning a standing FAQ at the top of this thread -- the physics, the technical limits, and the documented explanations for the commonly reported phenomena -- so we stop re-arguing the same points every three days. Not to shut down discussion: if you think the FAQ is wrong, bring evidence. If you want to discuss a specific sky event, post the details and we'll work it through together. And whatever you believe about his work: be decent about Monast. He was a person, and he's gone.
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#23▸ Posted: 22 Dec 1996, 15:47 EST
A FAQ written by the skeptics, for the skeptics. How convenient. Now every report gets waved at the FAQ -- "already debunked." You get to define the terms and decide what counts as evidence.
This is how suppression actually works in 1996. Not with silence -- with "rational explanation." Build the official story, make it sound scientific, and dismiss everything else as hysteria. Controlled debate. The appearance of openness while the real thing gets buried under plausible deniability. The FAQ is part of the machinery, whether you mean it to be or not.
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#24▸ Posted: 22 Dec 1996, 17:01 CST
And there it is -- the exact move I described. A FAQ explaining mundane causes is now itself evidence of the cover-up. Evidence against the theory becomes evidence for it. There is no possible observation you would accept as disconfirming. That's not skepticism and it's not critical thinking; it's a closed loop in the language of awakening. Real skepticism means being willing to be wrong. It means sometimes the boring explanation is the true one.
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