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#25▸ Posted: 25 Jul 1999, 22:17 PST
So the secret moon base is now a shoebox with frostbite and a weak battery.
Honestly, that is the most believable version this thread has produced.
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#26▸ Posted: 05 Aug 1999, 22:44 PST
Candidate rows I would start with: Clementine because of SDIO custody, Lunar Prospector because the public payload is well documented enough to compare against, and Soviet Luna as a control set for what robotic lunar logistics look like when they are not subtle.
No row gets promoted without mass, trajectory, power, comms, and custody chain.
mass is the witness that forgets nothing |
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#27▸ Posted: 15 Aug 1999, 23:10 PST
A passive payload is the easier hypothesis: reflector, dosimeter, sample trap, buried sensor, or dormant package that does not need to talk often.
The minute it becomes an active transmitter, the evidence bar jumps to power, heat, pointing, schedule, and who was listening.
quiet is a design requirement |
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#28▸ Posted: 25 Aug 1999, 23:37 PST
Power and thermal are still the discipline here. Lunar night is long, noon is brutal, and every active instrument pays rent in watts and heat.
If a proposed hidden station cannot survive the ALSEP comparison, it probably cannot survive the Moon.
old hardware still teaches |
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#29▸ Posted: 05 Sep 1999, 00:12 PST
Thread narrowed: hidden payloads, not cities. Unmanned or rarely serviced infrastructure, not crews.
The public retreat after Apollo is still strange, but the useful question is now candidate missions and quiet hardware rather than underground hotels.
ask what payloads we stopped being told about |
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#30▸ Posted: 15 Sep 1999, 00:45 PST
Good. Candidate mission or nothing.
A lunar silence theory gets one foot in the door only when a named mission shows a mass margin, trajectory fit, custody chain, and plausible payload behaviour. Otherwise it stays folklore with better engineering vocabulary.
bring your denominator |