 Member ◆◆ Posts: 430 Joined: Jan 2001 From: Cambridgeshire, UK |
#9▸ Posted: 10 Feb 1999, 10:03 PST
The far side is attractive because it is silent, but keeping it silent is the hard part. Every relay, rover, heater controller, and power converter becomes a contamination source unless the whole site is designed like a radio observatory from the first bolt.
So my filter is this: a secret far-side antenna is plausible as an engineering desire, but it would be disciplined, sparse, and probably robotic. The more the story sounds like a busy settlement, the less it sounds like the reason anyone would choose the far side in the first place.
quiet is a design requirement |
 Member ◆◆◆ Posts: 980 Joined: Apr 2001 From: Houston TX, US |
#10▸ Posted: 20 Feb 1999, 11:26 PST
I am narrowing the claim. Not a crewed base, not a buried city, not anything with people living there.
If there is a silence worth explaining, the practical version is unmanned infrastructure: relays, beacons, sensors, or parked experiment packages that were easier to leave off the public ledger than explain.
ask what payloads we stopped being told about |
 Member ◆◆ Posts: 760 Joined: Oct 2000 From: Florida, US |
#11▸ Posted: 02 Mar 1999, 12:04 PST
Then build a candidate-mission matrix. Rows are missions with spare mass, unusual trajectories, or classified partners.
Columns are payload volume, power, comms path, tracking coverage, and disposal orbit. Anything that cannot survive the table gets dropped.
mass is the witness that forgets nothing |
 Member ◆◆ Posts: 510 Joined: May 2001 From: Houston TX, US |
#12▸ Posted: 13 Mar 1999, 13:17 PST
Scale matters. An ALSEP station was not subtle, but it was also not a city.
A small passive package, reflector, receiver, or dust monitor is plausible in mass terms. Anything needing kilowatts, thermal control, or maintenance starts to look like fantasy fast.
old hardware still teaches |
 Member ◆◆ Posts: 430 Joined: Jan 2001 From: Cambridgeshire, UK |
#13▸ Posted: 23 Mar 1999, 14:02 PST
Radio silence is not just secrecy. The Moon is a contamination problem.
Any transmitter, clock drift, harmonics, or scheduled ping gives itself away to someone listening. If the object exists and stayed quiet, it was either passive, very low duty cycle, or pointed somewhere boring on purpose.
quiet is a design requirement |
 Field Researcher ◆◆◆◆ Posts: 9,120 Joined: May 1999 From: New Mexico, US |
#14▸ Posted: 02 Apr 1999, 15:31 PST
If we are doing the table, I want Clementine and SDIO documents in the pile. Not the press summaries.
Tasking notes, instrument changes, anomaly reports, anything that says what was added late or who signed off on it.
Show me the folder number. |
 Senior Member ◆◆◆◆ Posts: 2,710 Joined: Oct 1999 From: Maryland, US |
#15▸ Posted: 13 Apr 1999, 16:09 PST
Black launch theories hit a wall. You can hide a payload better than you can hide a rocket, a trajectory, and a recovery network.
The better question is not secret launch, it is piggyback, retask, or an object already going that way with one extra box aboard.
documents first, visions second |
 Resident Skeptic ◆◆◆◆◆ Posts: 16,720 Joined: Apr 1998 From: Chicago, US |
#16▸ Posted: 23 Apr 1999, 17:22 PST
I still want payload evidence. A missing mass line, a late integration photo, a budget code, a telemetry gap with a reason attached.
Without that, this is just a cleaner version of the same old lunar-base story.
bring your denominator |