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Secret Moon bases -- why the lunar silence after Apollo is stranger than the landings
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Rex_Pruitt
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#1▸ Posted: 19 Nov 1998, 03:09 PST
The moon-hoax people are fighting the wrong war. The interesting question is not whether Apollo happened. The interesting question is why, after reaching the Moon, the public human programme retreated so dramatically while military space activity expanded behind classification walls.

Assume Apollo was real. That makes the subsequent silence stranger, not less strange.

The official explanation is cost, politics, Vietnam, public boredom, and shifting priorities. Fine. But that only explains the visible programme. It does not explain why the Moon ceased to be treated as the obvious strategic high ground.

Consider the lunar advantages:

- line-of-sight observation platform
- radio-quiet far side
- low gravity launch environment
- stable underground lava tubes, possibly useful for shielding
- helium-3 interest, even if overhyped
- deep-space tracking
- weapons monitoring
- psychological dominance
- ideal location for classified astronomy or signals intelligence

Question:

Would the US and USSR really look at that and say, "Never mind"?

The more plausible model is not a giant glass-domed city with waitresses and Nazi saucers. It is smaller:

- buried instrument stations
- automated military packages
- signal relay hardware
- seismic listening posts
- long-duration unmanned facilities
- later black-budget servicing capability
- perhaps limited human visitation under non-NASA cover

This would not require thousands of people living in lunar hotels. It would require compartmentalised payloads, classified launches, dual-use probes, and a public accustomed to thinking that the Moon was "finished."

Possible evidence trails:

1. Apollo ALSEP packages
- Publicly known lunar experiment stations prove long-term deployed hardware was feasible.
- The question is whether classified equivalents existed.

2. Clementine mission
- Joint NASA / Strategic Defense Initiative Organization involvement deserves more attention.
- Lunar mapping under SDI auspices is not proof of bases, but it is exactly the kind of institutional overlap one would expect.

3. Soviet Luna programme
- Robotic sample return and landers show the USSR retained serious unmanned capability.
- What portions remain under-described?

4. Far-side radio silence
- The lunar far side is too useful for radio astronomy and signal concealment to ignore indefinitely.

5. Black launch capacity
- Classified payloads exist. The public does not know all orbital deployments. That is not conspiracy; that is policy.

6. Remote construction
- A "base" need not be human-occupied. A buried autonomous station is still a base.

Suggested sources:

- Apollo Lunar Surface Experiments Package documentation
- Clementine mission background
- SDI organisation records
- Soviet Luna programme archives
- Lunar Prospector data
- DoD space policy documents
- Early space militarisation treaties
- Lava tube / lunar geology literature
- Far-side radio astronomy proposals

Working thesis:

The secret Moon base, if it exists, is not a city. It is probably an unattended or rarely serviced military-scientific infrastructure network, hidden in plain sight by our childish assumption that a "base" must look like Antarctica with rockets.

The public imagination asks: "Where are the astronauts?"

The better question is: "What payloads did we stop being told about?"
ask what payloads we stopped being told about
Pete_Atwell
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#2▸ Posted: 29 Nov 1998, 04:02 PST
Keep the antenna question apart from the alien question. A far-side listening post makes technical sense because the Moon blocks most of Earth's radio noise.

If someone wanted a clean low-frequency ear, the far side is the prize location, especially before every orbit gets crowded with transmitters. Aliens are a separate claim. First show me the hardware path: launch, transfer, power, thermal control, and relay.
antennas and aliens in separate paragraphs
K7RADIO
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#3▸ Posted: 10 Dec 1998, 04:31 PST
Radio quiet on the lunar far side is real physics, not mysticism. The lunar body blocks direct line-of-sight interference from Earth, so the background is far cleaner for very low frequency work than any Earth site. That is why radio astronomers have talked about far-side arrays for decades.

But quiet cuts both ways. A base there needs a relay over the limb, at Earth-Moon L2, or in lunar orbit. Without that relay, a far-side installation is quiet because it is also isolated.
73s and keep your carrier clean.
DulceDigger
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#4▸ Posted: 20 Dec 1998, 05:18 PST
Clementine is where the institutional overlap gets interesting. It was not just a pure science probe. SDIO, later BMDO, used it as a lightweight sensor and spacecraft technology demonstration, while NASA scientists got lunar mapping data out of the same mission.

That overlap is documented in mission summaries, budget language, and payload descriptions. It proves defense offices had a reason to fly lunar hardware and collect lunar data. It does not, by itself, prove construction, but it explains why some paper trails look half military and half planetary science.
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Rey_Sayers
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#5▸ Posted: 30 Dec 1998, 06:07 PST
Classified payload capacity is the weak spot and the strong spot at the same time. The United States has flown payloads whose details were not public, and the national security launch world can hide sensors, mass properties, and mission objectives better than most people think.

Still, hiding a telescope or signals package is one thing. Hiding repeated heavy lunar logistics is another. A small automated payload could disappear into ambiguity. A staffed base would leave a launch cadence, tracking rumours, contractor footprints, and money trails that are much harder to bury.
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Al_Riggs
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#6▸ Posted: 10 Jan 1999, 07:44 PST
Apollo already left instruments on the Moon, and those packages are useful as a scale reference. ALSEP stations had power, sensors, telemetry, and thermal design, yet they were still modest surface systems deployed by astronauts in the open.

If the claim is an unmanned far-side listening package, that is within the family of ideas engineers have actually built around. If the claim is tunnels, crews, reactors, and hangars, that is a different class of evidence. Do not let one scale smuggle in the other.
old hardware still teaches
Occams_Razorback
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#7▸ Posted: 20 Jan 1999, 08:26 PST
A base does not have to mean a city. It could mean a buried instrument package, a relay node, a power unit, or a small automated station that only wakes on schedule. That matters because the evidence standard changes with the size of the claim.

What I want is payload evidence. Which launch had the spare mass? Which upper stage had the energy? Which tracking window fits a lunar transfer? Give me a candidate mission before giving me architecture.
bring your denominator
PayloadTrace
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#8▸ Posted: 30 Jan 1999, 09:11 PST
If we are testing candidates, start with mass and trajectory. A lunar payload needs injection energy, midcourse correction, communications planning, and a receiving network or relay. Even if the payload name is hidden, those constraints do not vanish.

The paper trail to compare is launch vehicle performance, declared payload mass, orbital elements, and any unexplained tracking notices. I would put more weight on a boring mismatch in those numbers than on any dramatic testimony.
mass is the witness that forgets nothing
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