 Field Researcher ◆◆◆◆ Posts: 9,120 Joined: May 1999 From: New Mexico, US |
#1▸ Posted: 17 Sep 1996, 21:00 MST
I have been asked to do a proper Dulce thread about forty times and I have refused about forty times, because every Dulce thread becomes forty pages of people shouting "Level 7" and "Nightmare Hall" at each other with zero paper between them. So I am going to do it MY way: four posts, reserved below this one, and I would ask you to read all four before you reply. Post 1 (this one): the charter. Post 2: the paper trail and its provenance. Post 3: what you can actually verify on the mesa. Post 4: the material I will NOT host in this thread, and why. The rule for this thread is the rule for my whole life on this board -- a claim is worth the document attached to it, and "a guy told me" is not a document. Twenty years on this and I have a thinner file than you would expect and a more disturbing one. Both of those are true. Begin.
documents over rumour · New Mexico |
 Field Researcher ◆◆◆◆ Posts: 9,120 Joined: May 1999 From: New Mexico, US |
#2▸ Posted: 19 Nov 1996, 21:08 MST
POST 2 -- THE PAPER TRAIL. The single most documented thing about Dulce is not a base. It is a disinformation operation, and it is admitted. In the late '70s/early '80s a Albuquerque businessman, Paul Bennewitz, started intercepting signals near Kirtland and convinced himself he had found an alien underground installation. The intelligence community did not ignore him. They CULTIVATED him -- the name in the released material is Richard Doty, AFOSI, and the effort gets called "Project Beta" in the literature. They fed him fabricated documents and let him spiral. That part is not fringe; counterintelligence people have discussed it on the record. So the foundational "Dulce papers" enter the world through a channel we KNOW was being used to push fiction at one specific obsessive. That does not prove there is nothing under the mesa. It proves the document trail was poisoned at the source, on purpose, by people who do that for a living, and any honest researcher has to start there and not at the firefight.
documents over rumour · New Mexico |
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#3▸ Posted: 21 Jan 1997, 21:15 MST
POST 3 -- THE GROUND TRUTH. What can you actually verify standing on Archuleta Mesa? Less than the legend and more than the skeptics admit. There is no visible multi-level facility; the "seven levels" come entirely from the Castello material (Post 4). What IS real: the cattle-mutilation cluster in that part of New Mexico and southern Colorado is genuinely documented -- the Rommel report (an actual federally-funded investigation, 1980) catalogued the cases and concluded "predators and decomposition" for most and threw up its hands at a residue it could not place. The high-strangeness residue is small, real, and unexplained, and it is the only part of the whole Dulce complex I would put my name behind as a genuine anomaly. The power-draw and water-usage "anomalies" people cite mostly dissolve into "rural infrastructure is poorly documented." I chase those to the bottom and they end in a filing error roughly nine times in ten. The tenth is why I still live here.
documents over rumour · New Mexico |
 Field Researcher ◆◆◆◆ Posts: 9,120 Joined: May 1999 From: New Mexico, US |
#4▸ Posted: 25 Mar 1997, 21:24 MST
POST 4 -- WHAT I WILL NOT ENTERTAIN HERE. The core "Dulce base" narrative -- seven levels, Nightmare Hall, the genetics labs, the 1979 firefight between human security and the resident greys, the "Thomas Castello" security-guard whistleblower who smuggled out the papers and the video -- has ONE source, Castello, who cannot be independently located, whose documents trace back through the poisoned Bennewitz channel, and whose account did not surface in a checkable form until years later. I am not calling it a lie. I am saying it has the provenance of a campfire story wearing a lab coat, and if I let it into this thread the thread is over, because there is nothing to push against. If you want to argue Castello, make a Castello thread and I will even post in it. THIS thread is for the parts with paper. Reserved posts done. Have at it -- and bring documents or bring patience.
documents over rumour · New Mexico |
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#5▸ Posted: 27 May 1997, 08:30 EST
I will confirm the only part I am in a position to confirm, which is the shape of the Bennewitz business, not its contents. Feeding fabricated material to a fixated private citizen to steer him away from something -- or toward nothing, to waste him -- is a real technique, it has a paper trail in this case specifically, and the people who ran it have talked. DulceDigger has the structure exactly right and I would add only this, because it is the part that should chill you and usually gets read as comforting: a disinformation operation does not require there to be nothing to protect. Sometimes you poison the well precisely because there IS water in it and you have decided the public version will be the fairy tale. I am not saying that is the case here. I am saying "it was disinfo" and "there is nothing there" are two different sentences and the spooks are delighted when you treat them as one.
ret. AFOSI · "it was disinfo" and "it is nothing" are not the same sentence |
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#6▸ Posted: 29 Jul 1997, 09:15 EST
so let me get this straight. the resident "twenty year researcher" opens THE Dulce thread and spends four reserved posts firewalling the one part that matters and laundering it as "no paper." and then the "retired AFOSI" account shows up within twelve hours to gently co-sign. this is a limited hangout in real time, in front of you, and you are thanking him for his rigour. give them the cattle mutilations, give them the admitted disinfo, take away Level 7 -- that is the DEAL, that is always the deal, concede the survivable anomalies to bury the one that is not survivable. ask yourselves who taught DulceDigger to be this reasonable.
who benefits · concede the small to bury the large |
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#7▸ Posted: 29 Sep 1997, 09:22 EST
TrustNo1, if this is a limited hangout then the cure is still provenance, not yelling the loudest forbidden noun. DulceDigger laid out three buckets: admitted Bennewitz/Doty material, Rommel/cattle cases, and Castello material with bad chain of custody.
What I want to see next is request wording. Who asked for what, from which office, and what came back with release markings or denial language?
MUFON field investigator · paperwork before campfire |
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#8▸ Posted: 01 Dec 1997, 08:48 CST
Walt_Henliss is right that disinfo does not prove emptiness. It also does not prove fullness, which is the part TrustNo1 is trying to smuggle in under a trenchcoat.
The only clean sentence so far is: there was a documented effort to feed Bennewitz fabricated material. Everything after that needs a denominator, especially the mutilation residue DulceDigger says is small and real.
the 5% · show me the denominator |