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moonlit_carol_72
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#33▸ Posted: 29 Sep 2001, 19:50 GMT
I said I would sit quietly and mostly I have. Reading the ledger has not changed what I feel when I sit with a chart, but it has changed what words I use for that feeling.

Perhaps that is a small peace offering. I still believe the heart knows things. I will try not to call that a public prediction unless I am willing to let it fail in public.
Kent · listen with your whole self
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#34▸ Posted: 03 Nov 2001, 13:20 GMT
[staff] I have pinned a link to this thread in the astrology board header.

Not because it proves astrology. It does not. Because it shows the only argument we are willing to keep having: claim, standard, failure condition, score. People are still free to talk about symbolic practice, but they are not free to smuggle it into the evidence cupboard and act surprised when someone checks the label.
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#35▸ Posted: 08 Dec 2001, 22:18 EST
Gita and I are taking the hint over to numerology. I hate it already, which probably means it is useful.

For the record, "the number appeared after the event" is going in the poetry column, not the prediction column. I can feel half my old posts looking at me accusingly.
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#36▸ Posted: 12 Jan 2002, 23:41 CST
Testable versus unfalsifiable wearing the same coat.

A testable claim risks embarrassment. That is the whole price of admission. It says: if the thing does not happen by this date, in this form, I was wrong. Not misunderstood. Not operating on a higher plane. Wrong.

An unfalsifiable claim wearing the same coat borrows the confidence of a testable one without paying the embarrassment fee. "Mars indicates conflict" becomes every argument, every war, every bad mood, and then every non-conflict becomes conflict delayed or internalised. There is no door out because the claim keeps moving the walls.

This is why Sue gets my time and the drive-bys do not. She lets the wall stand still long enough for the tape measure to matter. I expect the ledger to fail. I also expect to respect it more than most things that succeed by never risking a number.
I can debunk 95% · the ledger is the other 5%
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#37▸ Posted: 17 Feb 2002, 01:03 PST
Mercury retrograde made my ex call. put it in the ledger cowards
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#38▸ Posted: 24 Mar 2002, 09:16 EST
No.

Your ex is not a public event, "made" is not a mechanism, and I refuse to give Occams the satisfaction of watching me count your telephone as a data point.
score the misses or it is just fortune-telling
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#39▸ Posted: 28 Apr 2002, 16:04 GMT
The telephone post is comic, but useful. Divination systems have always had domestic uses, and domestic uses are exactly where public scoring gets silly.

A state oracle and a kitchen omen are not the same institution. One can be audited. The other belongs to the anthropology of private meaning. Treating both as identical "belief" is lazy from both directions.
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#40▸ Posted: 02 Jun 2002, 10:05 EST
First season ledger score, through December.

Misses first.

B: senior-ministry resignation, FAILED.
D: treasury or central-bank reversal, FAILED. There were contradictory press readings, but no named figure publicly reversed in the window. Do not rescue it.
E: court or election-board dispute as lead political story, WEAK / TOO BROAD. I should not have written this one so wide.
C: transport disruption with labour language, WEAK / NOT PROVEN.
A: ugly market week, PARTIAL HIT, base-rate contaminated.

Clean hits: 0. Partial or weak: 3. Clear fails: 2. Useful lessons: several, mostly humiliating. The big one is that I write too broadly when I am emotionally invested in the chart. The second is that the skeptic grading beside me makes me better, even when I want to throw a mug.

So no, astrology has not won the board. Skepticism has not won either, because the ledger is still alive and the method is cleaner than it was in August. I will continue in January with narrower calls and a frozen wording file if AletheiaCircuit will talk me through the checksum business like I am not a machine person.
score the misses or it is just fortune-telling
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