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#25▸ Posted: 20 Dec 2000, 23:12 EST
The special was tacky. It was also mostly correct.
That is the problem with bad television. A clown can point at the right house.
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#26▸ Posted: 25 Jan 2001, 00:08 CST
Mostly correct is not enough when the editing makes the method dishonest.
If astrology fails, let it fail on the full tape. If a skeptic has to rig the presentation to win, the skeptic has already admitted the audience matters more than the truth. I dislike astrology. I dislike bad skepticism more because it is my side making my tools filthy.
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#27▸ Posted: 01 Mar 2001, 07:55 GMT
Coming from the dream-log thread to say the "misses first" rule stings and works. It changes how you write the next call because you can already imagine yourself having to read the failure out loud later.
That is not mystical. It is just humiliating in a useful direction.
Leeds · log the misses |
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#28▸ Posted: 05 Apr 2001, 14:10 MST
I understand the ledger and respect it. I also want to put in a word for people who use charts for reflection, not prediction. There is healing in symbolic language when everyone in the room understands that is what it is.
The trouble starts when healing language borrows the costume of evidence. I have done that myself and had to be corrected. It is embarrassing, then useful.
Sedona · open hands, clear terms |
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#29▸ Posted: 10 May 2001, 11:02 EST
Thank you, Raine. That is the distinction I wish my own side would stop treating as betrayal.
If you use a chart as a mirror, call it a mirror. If you use it as a weather glass, let people check whether it rained. The mirror crowd keeps wandering into the weather station and then acting shocked when someone asks for the gauge.
score the misses or it is just fortune-telling |
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#30▸ Posted: 15 Jun 2001, 19:06 GMT
Lurker in a statistics-adjacent job. Sue, if you continue this into next year, consider freezing the wording by copying each call into a plain text file and posting a checksum. Sounds fussy, but it prevents quiet edits and protects you as much as the skeptics.
I do not expect the method to work. I do think clean failure is worth archiving.
university town · trust the protocol |
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#31▸ Posted: 20 Jul 2001, 08:30 EST
Ledger update: September and October calls.
Misses first, per rule.
B. 03 Oct through 12 Oct senior-ministry resignation: FAILED. Nothing of the stated level. I was reaching from a Mercury station and I overfit it. Write that down.
C. 18 Oct through 26 Oct transport disruption with labour language: WEAK / NOT PROVEN. There was a rail stoppage story in the window, but it was too local and too easy to call in autumn. I do not want the point.
A. 21 Sep through 28 Sep ugly market week: PARTIAL HIT, discounted. The broad index move cleared the stated threshold inside the window, but Occams was right that the base rate is ugly enough this year that the call needed a narrower target. Mark it half at most.
Score so far by my hand: 0 clean hits, 1 partial, 1 weak, 1 miss. New calls for November:
D. 13 Nov through 18 Nov: public reversal from a central bank or treasury figure within forty-eight hours of an initial statement. Failure: no reversal or only anonymous briefing.
E. 25 Nov through 30 Nov: a court or election-board dispute becomes the lead political story in one English-speaking country for at least one day. Failure: local-only or opinion-column-only does not count.
Proceed with tomatoes.
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#32▸ Posted: 24 Aug 2001, 10:12 CST
My grading matches, with less mercy on A.
A: weak partial, and if it were my spreadsheet I would mark it "base-rate contaminated." B: clean fail. C: weak enough to ignore. D is soft but watchable. E is dangerously broad, but at least it has a threshold.
Current result: astrology not vindicated, Sue vindicated as an honest opponent. Those are separate columns.
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