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Geoff_Mercer
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#1▸ Posted: 24 Feb 1998, 09:12 CST
I want to know if anyone here still thinks the 1958 Trindade Island photos are the hardest classic photo case to dismiss. Almiro Barauna took them aboard the Almirante Saldanha in November, dozens of witnesses on deck, the Brazilian Navy supposedly stood behind it initially. But here's the sticking point: Barauna was a documented trick photographer. He made his living faking things for magazines. The witness count is supposed to paper over the photographer's own history of hoax work. Does it actually? Or does one fact just cancel the other out and leave us with nothing but "maybe"?
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#2▸ Posted: 25 Feb 1998, 14:13 CST
The trick photographer angle is real, and it does matter, but I think it gets overstated as an automatic disqualification. Barauna's background in trick photography means he knew how to stage and fake things -- that's true. But it also means the witnesses aboard the Saldanha would have known they were watching a skilled handler of light and image work, and they certified it anyway. In a way, his expertise makes the corroboration more interesting, not less. You can't fool people who understand illusion as well as Barauna understood it, at least not without them knowing something happened they couldn't quite explain away.

That said, the chain of custody on the negatives is the weak point. Photographs are easy to doctor after the fact. The original negs and their handling history -- that's where the weight should sit.
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#3▸ Posted: 26 Feb 1998, 19:15 CST
I'm going to be direct: a photograph is just a photograph. No matter how many people watch Barauna take it, what you have in the end is a flat image on paper. I work with instrumental data. Radar gives you position, altitude, velocity across multiple correlated sensors. A photograph gives you what the light agreed to record on the day it was made. Witness testimony about what a photograph means is the weakest form of evidence. I don't care if a hundred sailors say they saw something strange -- their eyes saw something. The film captured something. Whether those two things are the same thing is exactly the question you can't answer from a still image.
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#4▸ Posted: 28 Feb 1998, 00:16 CST
Let me add the administrative weight here. The Brazilian Navy did make a statement at the time, and they were more forthright than most military institutions would have been. They didn't classify it, they didn't deny it, they didn't lock it away. They said yes, something unusual was observed, the commanding officers present vouched for it, Barauna was aboard and was known to photograph unusual things. That institutional acknowledgment is not nothing. It's more open than the American military was being about radar cases in the same period.

But Reg is right about one thing: the photograph itself is passive. You can examine the grain, the exposure, the shadow angles -- and people have. The question is whether that technical examination proves anything about what was in front of the lens when it opened.
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#5▸ Posted: 01 Mar 1998, 05:18 CST
I want to push back on the "trick photographer, therefore suspect" line. Every skeptical voice I've seen uses Barauna's background as a magician to sink the case, and I think that's itself a convenient smear. If the man was skilled with light and image, wouldn't that make him MORE credible as someone who could authenticate what he was seeing? A carpenter can tell you when wood is genuine. A magician can tell you when something is not a trick.

The Navy witnesses matter. Dozens of officers on deck, in daylight, at the same location. The naval documentation was available. The negatives were examined. If this were a simple hoax, there's a whole chain of people who would have had to go along with it, including the captain of a Brazilian warship.

Maybe it's not airtight. But the trick photographer angle doesn't close the case the way people use it to.
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#6▸ Posted: 02 Mar 1998, 10:19 CST
THE NAVY CONFIRMED IT. THE BRAZILIAN NAVY. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT. If the military says it happened, it happened. You can't have it both ways -- either you trust the government or you don't. They released the statement. They backed it up. That's the evidence right there. Stop splitting hairs about film grain and photographer's history and just READ what the Navy said.
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#7▸ Posted: 03 Mar 1998, 15:21 CST
The Navy said something happened. They didn't say what. They said it was unusual. They didn't say it was unexplainable. A warship on a long voyage at sea, an unusual atmospheric condition, a rare cloud formation, a ship's instrument ghost -- you can have all of those and still have the Navy say "yes, that occurred." That's not confirmation. That's documentation of observation. The gap between the two is where the Trindade case lives.
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#8▸ Posted: 04 Mar 1998, 20:22 CST
I think we're at the honest stopping point with this one. The photograph is interesting. The Navy statement is more open than it had to be. The witness count is substantial. Barauna's background is both damning and, in a weird way, maybe not damning at all -- depends on how you read his expertise. The negatives' chain of custody has gaps. The image details under magnification are ambiguous. It's the strongest case I can make for Trindade, and it still doesn't get you past "possibly unusual." It's not dismissible as a simple hoax, but it's not confirmable as anything else either. That's the real position on this one, as far as I can tell.
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