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radar_Reg
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#1▸ Posted: 11 Jun 1996, 22:40 GMT
RB-47, July 57. Before anyone types the word "weather": this is the case i hand to skeptics and watch them go quiet.

multiple sensors, multiple operators, the thing PACED the aircraft for over an hour, held visually AND on the ECM gear at three separate frequencies at once. you cannot ducting your way out of three independent receivers agreeing with two eyeballs. i flew that kind of kit for thirty years and i am telling you the gear does not lie like that by accident.

read McDonald's writeup before you reply. then come at me. i WANT the boring answer, i just have never heard one that fits all the sensors at once.
ex-radar, thirty years · the gear does not lie like that by accident
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#2▸ Posted: 21 Jun 1996, 22:46 GMT
radar_Reg, the bit I want nailed down is the clock marks. Not the dramatic version, just when the visual was called, when the ECM gear was called, and whether the operators were watching steady returns or chasing intermittent behaviour.

Three receivers agreeing is strong if they were independent in practice. If one man says "I've got it" and two other boxes get interpreted through that excitement, that is a different animal. Night shift teaches you to ask what the instruments did before anyone decided what the story was.
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#3▸ Posted: 01 Jul 1996, 17:55 EST
ScopeJockey is asking the right ugly question. Frequency agreement can mean several things. It can mean three genuinely separate emissions, or it can mean one strong source producing receiver mischief in ways that look more coordinated than they are.

radar_Reg, when you say "three separate frequencies at once," do you mean simultaneous indications on three tuned channels with comparable bearing behaviour? Or do you mean the crew checked three frequencies during the same episode and got something on each? That distinction matters a lot before we let the case sit on the heavy shelf.
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#4▸ Posted: 11 Jul 1996, 23:09 GMT
Reg, I'm going to try to kill your favorite case kindly.

Best mundane stack I can make from what you've said: visual object is real but ordinary, ECM indications are receiver/interpretation trouble, and the hour-long pacing is partly reconstruction after the fact. That is not a satisfying fit, but it is the shape a lot of famous hard cases take once the paperwork cools down.

The problem is your phrase "held visually AND on the ECM gear." If that overlap is clean in time and direction, my little stack starts wobbling.
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#5▸ Posted: 21 Jul 1996, 17:22 CST
Ruth_74, that matches the way old flightline stories get sanded smooth, too. Every retelling removes the hesitations and leaves the certainty.

I had family around that kind of world, not on this crew and not claiming secret knowledge. The second-hand flavor I heard about RB-47 was always that the men were not wild-eyed about it. More irritated than mystical. That does not prove a thing, but it is why I listen when radar_Reg says sensors first, aliens nowhere.
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#6▸ Posted: 01 Aug 1996, 23:36 GMT
BarksdaleBill, "irritated not mystical" is a useful human detail, even if it is only lore.

Since someone will eventually drag the sky into this: yes, bright planets and tired eyes make confident people say foolish things. I spend too many cold evenings watching that happen. But a planet does not talk to ECM gear, and it does not become three receiver indications because the crew wanted excitement.

So I can explain eyeballs. I cannot explain the whole bundle from eyeballs alone.
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#7▸ Posted: 11 Aug 1996, 18:51 EST
Vera_Sloane, agreed on planets being overused as a broom. Still, the denominator matters. Crews flew lots of nights, gear did lots of odd things, and the cases that survive are the weird residue. Residue always looks specially resistant because the easy ones fell out of the file cabinet first.

My hesitation with RB-47 is not "weather explains it." It is that multiple weak correlations can masquerade as one strong correlation after the report is written. I need the timing clean before I let "multi-sensor" do all that work.
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#8▸ Posted: 21 Aug 1996, 23:58 GMT
Still sounds like equipment weirdness.
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