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#9▸ Posted: 16 Mar 1999, 22:40 EST
Ledger entry two, pre-registered before arithmetic.
SCHEME: standard Hebrew values again. TEXT: Exodus 3:14, fixed. CLAIM: a traditional relation between the divine-name phrase and the count of the phrase itself. I am stating it as narrowly as I can: exact relation or miss, no reducing, no alternate spelling, no hunting for near numbers. RESULT: miss. The phrase value is clean, my arithmetic checks twice, and it does NOT make the relation claimed in the book I was testing.
This is not fun to post. It is also the point. One curiosity, one miss. Marv, if you are reading, this is what "documented" means.
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#10▸ Posted: 24 May 1999, 09:22 CST
Grade: clean miss, counted as a miss. That sounds cold, but it is the highest compliment I can give the method. You did not move the target after seeing the number. You did not reduce until something looked pretty. You did not declare the miss spiritually meaningful. You just put it in the ledger.
The scoreboard is now 1 mild curiosity, 1 null. I still think the expected future is mostly nulls. I am also now reading every post, which means your method bought attention that the claim itself never would have bought.
Chicago · a miss you keep is data |
Anonymous Coward  (unregistered) User ID: 80341697 From: Whitmore Lake again |
#11▸ Posted: 01 Aug 1999, 01:16 EST
Gita you are throwing away the good stuff. Exact hits are NOT how this works, the universe speaks in echoes. I ran your Exodus phrase through English, Hebrew, and simple ordinal and got 314, 157, and 62 depending how you space it, and 3.14 is pi and 157 is half of 314, and 6+2 is 8 which is infinity sideways. That is a HIT on multiple levels.
Also my phone bill this month was $62.80 and I got it the same day you posted. You can laugh but the odds of all those numbers lining up are insane. Occams only wins if you let him choose the rules.
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#12▸ Posted: 10 Oct 1999, 08:04 EST
Marv, no. This is exactly the hole we are climbing out of. You changed languages, changed spacing, took half a number, rotated a symbol, added a phone bill, and called the pile a hit. That is not the universe speaking. That is you moving furniture until the room looks like your dream.
The rules were mine. I chose them before the arithmetic because I wanted the claim to survive the rules, not because Occams hypnotised me through a modem. Please stop helping.
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#13▸ Posted: 18 Dec 1999, 17:55 GMT
The Marv post is useful in the negative sense. Ancient isopsephy did not work by "echoes" in the modern free-association way. When Revelation gives 666, the point is not that any number adjacent to six feels beastly. The community shares a spelling, a language, a name, and a convention. That constraint is the entire mechanism.
Loose modern pattern-hunting is not a continuation of the old practice. It is a parody of it with more calculators. If anything in gematria deserves to be studied, it is the discipline that prevented every phone bill from becoming an oracle.
Leeds · constraint is the historical object |
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#14▸ Posted: 25 Feb 2000, 12:02 GMT
What Adrian calls constraint is also what makes a device possible. A machine that accepts every input and returns "yes" is not a machine, it is a mirror. Gita is trying to rebuild a device by forbidding herself the easy inputs. That is why the misses matter more than the hits at this stage.
I do not need gematria to be supernatural to find this useful. I want to know what kind of mental apparatus a literate religious culture built when letters were numbers, memory was trained, and a text was not merely read but walked through.
Edinburgh · a yes-machine is a mirror |
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#15▸ Posted: 04 May 2000, 23:18 EST
Ledger entry three. SCHEME: standard Hebrew values. TEXT: Deuteronomy 6:4, the Shema, fixed. CLAIM: a traditional relation involving the final letters of the opening declaration. I picked this one because if any passage should be overworked enough to show the internal craft, it is this.
RESULT: partial curiosity, not a hit. The base sum matches the cited value only if one accepts the book's defective spelling assumption, which is exactly the sort of textual-choice freedom Occams warned me about. Under the printed text I stated, it misses. I am recording it as a miss with a historical note, not as a mystical half-hit. Score: one curiosity, two misses.
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#16▸ Posted: 13 Jul 2000, 18:44 EST
Gita, for what it is worth from someone on your side of the fence, this is the first gematria thread I have ever wanted to show a skeptic. Not because it proves us right. Because it stops making us look like we need every number to love us back.
I still think number-pattern is in us for a reason. I am less sure every pattern we notice is a message. That is a smaller faith and maybe a sturdier one.
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