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Halvorsen
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#9▸ Posted: 21 Feb 1998, 03:00 GMT
Also -- and I say this as someone who works with my hands -- a geared mechanism is not that foreign a concept if you have ever built anything. Water wheels have gears. Mills have gears. The principle of interlocking teeth transferring motion is visible and intuitive if you are paying attention. It is not revealed wisdom. It is applied mechanics.

The hard part is doing it precisely, and doing it at a small scale with hand tools. But that is a problem of skill and patience, not of alien intervention. I would stake my reputation on the fact that a trained bronze-worker of the time, given the right designs and enough hours, could have cut those gears.
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Tomasz_K
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#10▸ Posted: 23 Feb 1998, 02:14 GMT
Halvorsen nails it. The mystery is not "how did they think of it." The mystery is "why did we assume they couldn't." We have written sources showing that Greek engineers -- Ctesibius, Heron -- built automated devices, programmable machines using water and weights. We have descriptions of planetaria, orreries, gear-driven simulacra of the heavens. The Antikythera mechanism fits perfectly into that tradition.

What we did not have, until the X-rays, was a surviving example. That does not mean the knowledge was rare or impossible. It means we got lucky with a shipwreck.
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#11▸ Posted: 25 Feb 1998, 01:27 GMT
Everyone has said the essential things, and I want to close with one observation: the Antikythera mechanism is not an isolated miracle. It is the beginning of a continuous tradition. The knowledge encoded in those gears flowed into the Islamic Golden Age -- into the astrolabes of Al-Biruni and the astronomical instruments of Nasir al-Din al-Tusi. The gear-work that seems so astounding to us in a 100 BC Greek device became standard craft knowledge for Muslim engineers centuries later.

That continuity tells us something crucial: the ancients were not smarter than us, and they did not have secret wisdom. They were simply different -- they had time for precision, markets that rewarded it, and a philosophical tradition that demanded it. The technology flowed through history like it always does: from one generation of craftsmen to the next, each adding their own improvements. No mystery. No aliens. Just human hands, passing down what they had learned.
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#12▸ Posted: 27 Feb 1998, 00:41 GMT
Priya_N, that is the perfect place to leave it. The Antikythera mechanism is not a puzzle that asks us to posit visitors from space or lost continents. It is a piece of evidence that says something simpler and more profound: the humans we came from were capable of extraordinary things when the conditions allowed it. And those conditions -- mathematical learning, craft tradition, market incentive, patience -- are things we understand. We can study them. We can learn from them.

That is worth far more than any UFO sighting.
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#13▸ Posted: 28 Feb 1998, 23:55 GMT
I will add only this: Price's work deserves to be better known. His papers are still the best guide to the mechanism we have. "Gears from the Greeks" -- find it if you can. It is meticulous scholarship, and it reads like detective work. And it is a reminder that the real mysteries, the ones that have evidence behind them, are often stranger and more beautiful than the stories we make up.
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