 Member ◆◆ Posts: 49 Joined: Oct 1996 From: Canada |
#1▸ Posted: 08 Sep 1995, 09:12 PST
I've been reading through the excavation reports and the local oral tradition on Easter Island keeps saying the moai "walked" to their platforms. I know it sounds impossible, but Pavel Pavel published work in 1986 showing that a standing statue can be rocked side-to-side with rope crews, creating a swiveling gait that moves it forward while keeping it upright. Heyerdahl had similar observations. The statues have this forward lean and wider belly that seems almost designed for it. Has anyone else looked into this? The abandoned moai scattered along the roads seem to fit -- like they got stuck mid-journey. What's the physics actually look like?
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#2▸ Posted: 10 Sep 1995, 03:05 PST
The rocking hypothesis is sound mechanically. If you've got a 4-meter statue with its center of mass shifted forward by that paunch and lean, you don't need to drag it on sledges. You put crews on each side, attach ropes near the midpoint, and rock it rhythmically. Each rock tilts it slightly forward, the side crews keep tension, and it pivots on its base in small forward lurches. With coordinated crews you could move one maybe 100-200 meters a day on flat ground. Dragging an 80-ton mass on logs would require far more material. The walking method minimizes friction, uses the statue's own geometry, and leaves minimal trace -- which matches what we see.
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#3▸ Posted: 11 Sep 1995, 20:58 PST
What interests me more is the context around these roads. The oral tradition -- "they walked" -- persists for a reason, and it's not just colorful storytelling. The real tragedy is that these people had the ingenuity and labor to move massive stones, but they also clearcut the island to near-total deforestation. No trees eventually means no rope, no fuel, no fishing canoes. The roads with abandoned moai are essentially a record of when the system broke down. Whether they rocked, dragged, or some combination, the statues stopped moving not because the technique failed, but because the island ran out of capacity to support the effort. That's the more sobering story buried here.
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#4▸ Posted: 13 Sep 1995, 14:52 PST
I've helped move large pieces and I can tell you rocking works. We used it on a 6-ton granite piece over distance and the skeptics were surprised. The rhythm matters, the rope placement matters, crew training matters. But none of it requires technology beyond what a good pre-industrial society could manage. No alien nonsense, no lost knowledge -- leverage, timing, and labor. The Pavel experiments prove it's mechanically possible. Dismissing it because it "sounds primitive" is backwards thinking.
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#5▸ Posted: 15 Sep 1995, 08:45 PST
One caution though. The Pavel and Heyerdahl experiments show the method is possible, but that's different from proving it's how the moai actually got moved. We might be looking at multiple methods -- rocking on some routes, dragging on others depending on terrain. The experiments are valuable because they expand the range of plausible techniques, not because they're definitive. The oral tradition "they walked" is suggestive, but traditions can shift meaning over centuries. What we can say: the abandoned statues and roads are real, the deforestation is real, and the rocking hypothesis fits the physics and geography. We should stay humble about the specifics.
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#6▸ Posted: 17 Sep 1995, 02:38 PST
Okay but the real question nobody's asking: even if the rocking works, what about the logistics? Moving 80-ton stones repeatedly across an island that had, what, a few thousand people at its peak? The quarries are in one area, the platforms scattered. The labor budget alone seems staggering. Did they have seasonal work cycles? Were certain people full-time statue movers? The math seems almost impossible even with an elegant technique.
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#7▸ Posted: 18 Sep 1995, 20:32 PST
The logistics are serious, but not impossible. You don't move all of them at once. The peak building period was maybe 300-400 years of intensive work. Spread across a few hundred active adults per generation, with seasonal labor from the general population, you're looking at a handful of statues moved per year at the height. That's achievable. A few hundred coordinated people can move one 80-ton stone upright with basic rope technology. The Rapa Nui were master navigators and builders. The real bottleneck was the deforestation, which eventually made the rope and the crews unsustainable. That's why the roads are scattered with unfinished work.
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#8▸ Posted: 20 Sep 1995, 14:25 PST
Come on. No way primitive people moved 80-ton statues. You're all inventing explanations for something that doesn't make sense.
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