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Travis Walton -- relitigating the polygraphs one more time
hangar_rat_Hank
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#1▸ Posted: 25 Jul 2000, 09:12 CST
OK, I need to revisit this because the polygraph angle keeps getting misrepresented on both sides. The Travis Walton case hinges on a simple claim: five loggers watch him get zapped by a UFO on Nov 5, 1975, near Snowflake, Arizona. Those five all took polygraphs and passed or came very close. Walton himself took multiple tests over the years and the results were all over the place -- inconclusive, some failures, some passes depending on the examiner and the questions.

Everyone points to the movie from '93, Fire in the Sky, and acts like it settles things one way or the other. It doesn't. What I want to know is: what do these polygraphs actually tell us? Because I've read three different accounts of what the tests showed, and none of them agree.
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#2▸ Posted: 26 Jul 2000, 22:31 CST
The polygraph tells us about stress levels. Full stop. It measures heart rate, respiration, galvanic skin response -- physiological arousal. If you're lying and you know it, you get stressed. But if you believe your own story, or if you're terrified about missing time you can't explain, the machine reacts the same way.

So Walton's mixed results just mean he was stressed during the tests. Which he would be, whether he was abducted or covering for something else or genuinely confused and traumatized. The crew passing just means they were either telling the truth OR calm enough about the lie that it didn't spike the needle. A consistent false story is easier to tell calmly than the truth, sometimes. The whole case rests on a machine nobody should be using to prove anything.
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#3▸ Posted: 28 Jul 2000, 11:50 CST
I'm less interested in the polygraph than in the six men. Five saw something -- or say they did. One went missing for five days and came back with a story. What interests me is how consistent their accounts stayed over seventeen years, from '75 to the Fire in the Sky production. That's either evidence of a real shared experience or a very tight lie that none of them broke under pressure.

The logging crew had nothing to gain in 1975. No book deal, no movie option. You don't maintain a lie that elaborate under that much social pressure unless something actually happened. I'd want to see the original polygraph charts, not the interpretation. The sociology of the group is more informative than any single test result.
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#4▸ Posted: 30 Jul 2000, 01:09 CST
Let's be honest about what happened: Walton took a polygraph just days after the incident, and it was inconclusive or failed depending on which account you read. Then he took another months later and passed. The reason this doesn't get mentioned in the pro-UFO accounts is that the first test looks bad. The reason skeptics don't push it harder is that the later tests look better.

Both sides cherry-pick. The honest answer is that Walton took multiple tests with inconsistent results, and we don't have the methodological detail to know why. Did the first fail because he was more stressed days in? Different examiner? We don't know. A polygraph cannot settle this case.
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#5▸ Posted: 31 Jul 2000, 14:29 CST
I want something I can measure. Radar returns, spectrographic analysis, anything that points to a craft. What I have instead is a polygraph, and polygraphs are useless for this purpose. Five guys say they saw something, their accounts are consistent. But consistency is not proof -- it's what you'd expect if the story had been told and retold between them before any official interview. People align their memories, especially under stress. The only way this resolves is a physical trace, and there isn't one.
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#6▸ Posted: 02 Aug 2000, 03:48 CST
You're all ignoring that five working men vouched for Walton under their own names knowing they'd be mocked. The crew foreman vouched for him. They were local, they had families and jobs on the line. If Walton had made this up and they'd gone along, one of them would have cracked by 1993 when the film came out. One would have gone to the press and said "we lied to protect Travis." That didn't happen. Walton's results were mixed because he was genuinely disturbed -- five days missing, his memory a blur. That's worse than a lie, because you can't remember what you're supposed to say.
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#7▸ Posted: 03 Aug 2000, 17:07 CST
They PASSED the lie detector. Case closed. If five grown men can keep a lie going for decades, we might as well dismantle the whole justice system because nobody can be trusted. The simplest answer is the right one: they saw something, it wasn't a normal aircraft, Walton was taken.
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#8▸ Posted: 05 Aug 2000, 06:27 CST
I'll tell you what I know from service and stress physiology: a man missing for five days without explanation will show elevated baseline stress for weeks. His polygraph results will be unpredictable for months. You put him in front of a machine asking "were you really abducted," and his body doesn't know the difference between "I don't remember" and "I'm lying" -- it just knows he's terrified.

The crew's consistency could come from something simpler than aliens or a hoax. A genuine missing-person panic produces confabulation. They see a light, he goes missing, they fill the gaps with the most logical explanation they have: something took him. They tell police, reporters, each other. By the time they take the test, they believe it, so the machine shows calm. Is that what happened? I don't know. But it's simpler than a craft or a five-man hoax held for seventeen years. The polygraph proves none of it.
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