 Member ◆◆◆ Posts: 884 Joined: Feb 1995 From: Manchester, UK |
#1▸ Posted: 21 Jun 1999, 09:12 EST
ok i feel like a complete idiot but i'm posting this anyway because maybe it'll help someone else not waste two nights like i did. i was out in the backyard around 10:30pm last wednesday looking at the sky and saw this bright object just hanging there, incredibly bright, way brighter than any star i've ever seen. it wasn't moving at all, just stationary, and it had this kind of shimmer to it. my first thought was "something's up here." i grabbed my binoculars and could not get a steady view of it -- kept jumping around in the field -- so of course my brain goes straight to "this could be something unusual."
went out again thursday night, exact same time, and there it was. same spot in the sky. didn't seem to move. so now i'm convinced i've got a pattern. i'm trying to remember which direction it was, writing down times, the whole thing. felt like a proper investigator.
anyway, i checked an astronomy website the next morning and realized i had spent two hours across two nights tracking Venus. just... Venus. the planet that's been there the whole time. humiliating.
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#2▸ Posted: 22 Jun 1999, 08:57 EST
Geoff, thank you for posting this. Seriously. This is actually super instructive because what you're describing -- the jumping around in the binoculars, the fixed position that "isn't moving" -- that's textbook autokinesis. Your eye and brain playing tricks, and it's not weakness or stupidity, it's just how our visual system works when there's no reference point against a dark sky.
With Venus especially -- when it's bright enough, people see it during the day sometimes and think they're chasing something. The shimmer you saw is atmospheric distortion. It's real, you're really seeing it, but your brain fills in movement that isn't there.
Quick check for anyone else who thinks they might be tracking something: get an ephemeris or check the charts, note where the object was the night you saw it, then check the exact same time the next night. If it's a planet, it will have moved relative to the background stars by a tiny, measurable amount. Venus moves -- but against the star field, not mysteriously in place. That's how you rule it out.
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#3▸ Posted: 23 Jun 1999, 08:43 EST
Ha, happens to the best of us, Geoff. I've got a similar story except mine was a weather balloon I tracked for half an hour thinking it was something weird. Kept expecting it to do something unusual, and all it did was drift slowly and bore me to tears. Realized afterwards I was so convinced something was "off" that I wasn't actually watching what I was seeing -- I was watching what I thought I should be seeing. Your brain's a liar sometimes.
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#4▸ Posted: 24 Jun 1999, 08:29 EST
This is exactly why the first thing I do when someone calls in a sighting is ask them to point to where it was, and then I check what was actually in that spot that night. No judgment, just mechanics. You'd be amazed how often it's Venus or Jupiter with the brightness cranked up by atmospheric seeing, or sometimes the moon during certain phases. The witnesses aren't crazy and they're not lying -- they really did see something bright and strange. It was just already here. Geoff's post is the sign of a good observer, honestly. Most people don't even bother checking what they might have seen.
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#5▸ Posted: 25 Jun 1999, 08:14 EST
I appreciated this thread. Takes guts to go public with "I was wrong about something I was fairly sure about." That's the actual scientific habit.
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 Member (inactive) ◆ Posts: 22 Joined: Apr 1997 From: Yuma, AZ |
#6▸ Posted: 26 Jun 1999, 08:00 EST
Had almost the exact thing happen to me about three years back. saw something bright and unmoving in the southwest sky, spent a couple nights watching it, convinced myself it was unusual because of how brilliant it was. Turned out to be Jupiter when the seeing was particularly good. The desert sky is so dark out here that planets get this... presence that you don't quite expect if you're not looking for them. Easy mistake to make. Geoff, you're in good company. The eye wants patterns and mystery. That's just how we're built.
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 Member (inactive) ◆ Posts: 22 Joined: Apr 1997 From: Yuma, AZ |
#7▸ Posted: 27 Jun 1999, 07:46 EST
anyway glad this worked out to be something normal. thanks for the reminder to actually check the charts instead of just watching and guessing.
high desert sky-watcher |