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#1▸ Posted: 25 Aug 1997, 09:12 EST
I have been going through collections of cryptozoology literature and discussion boards for the past year, and I keep running into the claim that Sasquatch/Bigfoot must bury their dead, which is why we never find remains. But I cannot find where this actually started. Has anyone here ever traced it to a specific book, article, or field researcher? I am interested in the earliest published or recorded claim, not speculation or modern internet chatter. If anyone knows the source, I would appreciate the reference.
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#2▸ Posted: 27 Aug 1997, 00:08 EST
I think this got a big push in the 1970s. There was that Patterson film in '67, of course, but I am fairly certain the "burial" angle came up in some of the documentary programs that ran on television in the 70s. One of the researchers -- I want to say it was on a nature program or maybe a cryptid-focused show -- brought it up as a possible explanation for why skeletons never turn up. It was presented as speculation, not fact, but once something gets said on television, it sticks with people. I do not have the exact title in front of me, but I would bet money it traces back to a book or TV special from that era.
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#3▸ Posted: 28 Aug 1997, 15:04 EST
This claim has always bothered me because it is fundamentally unfalsifiable. If we find no bodies, it is proof they bury them. If we did find a body, that would just be "the one they failed to hide" or something. You cannot really test it. What I keep thinking about is that some animals do cover or move carrion -- bears, some canids -- but there is a big leap from that to "organized burial practices." The burial claim feels like it is ascribing human-level consciousness and ritual behavior to an animal we have no other evidence for.
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#4▸ Posted: 30 Aug 1997, 06:00 EST
I grew up in eastern Kentucky, and my grandfather and others in that area had been tracking stories about large primates in the hills for decades before any of this got written down. I never once heard the "they bury their dead" explanation from the old timers. What they said was that these things were smart, nocturnal, and rare. But the burial story -- that feels like something that came FROM television or popular books, not the other way around. I have always figured it was retrofitted to explain why hunters and hikers have not found a skeleton yet.
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#5▸ Posted: 31 Aug 1997, 20:56 EST
This is a textbook ad hoc rescue. The hypothesis starts as: we will find evidence of Bigfoot. When we do not find evidence -- and we really do not -- someone invents a new piece of the hypothesis: "they hide their dead." Now the original hypothesis cannot be falsified because we have given it an escape hatch. It is elegant in a cynical way, but it is not science. It is excuse-making.
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#6▸ Posted: 02 Sep 1997, 11:52 EST
I think people skip past the boring answer. If there is a real animal that is (a) genuinely rare, (b) has a small population spread over vast area, and (c) lives in forests with acidic soil that breaks down bone quickly -- then you would expect to find almost no remains. Coyotes, bears, insects, fungi, pH all do the work. You do not need magical burial behavior. The absence of bodies is not evidence of a miracle. It is what you would predict if the animal was real and scarce.
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#7▸ Posted: 04 Sep 1997, 02:48 EST
Thank you all for the responses so far. SquatchFieldNotes, can you think of any specific program titles or book names? Dana_Frick makes an excellent point about unfalsifiability -- I had not framed it that way. Holt_R, that is very useful to know that the burial claim did not come from the old Appalachian stories themselves. It really does seem to be a modern retrofitting. I am still hoping someone has a primary source citation.
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#8▸ Posted: 05 Sep 1997, 17:44 EST
I wish I could pin it down more precisely. I remember reading that one of the early television programs in the early 1970s floated this idea, maybe "In Search Of" which ran from 1976 onward, or possibly an earlier nature documentary. But I do not have it in front of me and I do not want to misattribute. If anyone reading this has access to old TV listings or collected episodes, that might be where the answer is. The claim definitely got absorbed into popular culture by the 1980s.
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