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choosing bug-out land -- water rights are the thing nobody checks
Lindgren
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#1▸ Posted: 27 Sep 2002, 09:12 CST
I keep seeing people fall in love with a parcel and worry about access roads and timber and whether the soil is deep enough for a garden. And I am thinking: you are missing the one thing that will actually matter when you need it to matter.

Water rights. Not water. Rights.

A creek running through your property does not mean you can use that creek. A well on your land does not mean you can pump it dry. I know this sounds like legalism, and maybe it is, but it is the difference between land that works and land that becomes a liability.

I spent six months on a place in Oregon that checked every box -- twelve acres, road access, creek on the south boundary, old barn. Then I did the title search and the water-rights check and found the creek was junior to three upstream users. Drought year hits and there is nothing in that creek, and even if there were, I had no legal claim to it.

Start here first. Before you fall in love with a place, before you hire the inspector, verify the water. It is the thing nobody checks until it is too late.
Dell_Hopkins
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#2▸ Posted: 28 Sep 2002, 21:34 CST
Lindgren is right, and I can tell you from experience.

Forty acres, bought it in 1998, nice property in the foothills, well on the land. I figured we were set. Drilled it deep, maybe 280 feet, came up good and steady the first two years.

Summer of 2000, dry year, and suddenly the well is struggling. I am thinking pump problem, so I call the well guy. He takes one look at the log and says I have bigger problems.

Turns out the neighbor three miles up the line has a senior water right from 1952. Wet years nobody cares. Drought year he is pumping like mad for irrigation, my water table drops forty feet, and there is nothing I can do about it. I trucked water that summer. Did not think I would be that guy. Get the water-rights paperwork. Get the well logs from the county. And actually talk to the neighbors, not just drive by.
learned the hard way
Garrett_K
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#3▸ Posted: 30 Sep 2002, 09:56 CST
Two systems you need to understand before you buy anything.

Most Eastern states use riparian rights. If your land touches water, you have a right to reasonable use. It is not junior-senior, it is "reasonable" -- which sounds simple and is not. Reasonable to whom? You find out when you fight the neighbor.

Western states use prior appropriation: first in time, first in right. A right filed in 1887 gets its water before one filed in 1950, even if the 1950 land sits right on top of it. The law does not care about fairness, only order.

Some states split it depending on groundwater versus surface, and some have changed their laws in the last twenty years. Before you look at a property, find out which system the state uses, then find out exactly what the current owner holds, what is recorded, and what the junior claims look like. It is all public record -- about three hours and a trip to the county recorder. Saves a lot of grief later.
BugOutBarb
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#4▸ Posted: 01 Oct 2002, 22:18 CST
Here is the actual checklist if you are serious.

One: well logs. The county recorder has them. See what depth the well hit water and whether it is stable year to year.

Two: water-table depth. Ask the county about seasonal variation, and ask in summer, not spring -- dry season is your worst case.

Three: recorded easements and senior rights. This is in the title search but you have to specifically ask; a lot of title companies do the bare minimum. Have them note every recorded water right on the property and upstream.

Four: the county water office. Not the realtor -- the office. They have maps and records and will tell you about drought ordinances and monitored wells.

Five: the neighbors. Actually talk to them. Are their wells stable, did they have trouble in the last dry year.

Six: if it is the Western US, get the priority date of any right and the junior claims. Do all this before you make an offer. It is not optional.
Dale_Rourke
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#5▸ Posted: 03 Oct 2002, 10:40 CST
Once you know the rights situation, you have to know what it costs you if it is not ideal. If the rights are bad, you still have options -- they cost money, but at least you know.

One: drill deep. Depending on geology you can sometimes go 400 to 500 feet and hit water below the senior claims. Figure several thousand to drill that deep, plus testing and a pump for the depth.

Two: haul water. In a true bug-out plan you can truck it in during dry months. Not fun, not cheap, but temporary.

Three: catchment. Cisterns and roof collection, where it is legal -- some states say your roof water is yours, some do not.

Four: spring development, if there is a spring uphill and you have the access rights.

None of these are free or automatic. But if you know the rights are bad, you can plan for it. If you find out after you have bought, you are stuck. So find out first.
RanchHand_NM
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#6▸ Posted: 04 Oct 2002, 23:02 CST
In New Mexico it is different and worse. Water is junior to everything, and when I say junior I mean the state engineer will shut your well down in a drought. Does not matter that you have pumped it ten years. Does not matter that your claim is older than your neighbor's. If there is a senior claim and the water is not there, you do not pump.

I have watched people move here to retire on a ranch, drill a well, start irrigating -- and two years in the state engineer issues an order. Stop. That is it.

You need to know the senior-rights situation on your specific parcel, not the county. What happens in a dry year and how dry it has to get before they restrict you. And whether there is a junior claim below yours that can demand you stop pumping. It is survival by hierarchy, and the hierarchy is written down. Find the paperwork before you buy.
twenty years here
cellar_Cormac
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#7▸ Posted: 06 Oct 2002, 11:24 CST
One thing to layer in if the rights are tight: catchment and storage. Not as primary water but as a hedge -- roof collection, cisterns, storing water in good years for the lean ones.

How legal that is varies. In much of the West precipitation is considered part of the water system, so even roof water can be junior to a senior appropriation claim. Sounds insane, but that is how it works. East Coast and Midwest you usually have more latitude; roof water is generally yours. Check the local ordinance regardless.

The point is, if your well is weak or junior, a big cistern filled off the roof and supplemented by a slow spring or a hand pump changes things -- you are not dependent on a single source. It does not solve bad water rights. It is a partial hedge. But partial beats nothing.
Lindgren
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#8▸ Posted: 07 Oct 2002, 23:47 CST
This is why I spend the time on the water-rights check: if you get this wrong, everything else you plan for does not matter.

A place with good water and tight access beats a place with bad water and easy access. Senior rights beat junior. A verified, stable water table beats guessing.

And if you are buying for bug-out, you are buying for when things are tight -- and tight is exactly when water stops being an amenity and starts being what you need to survive.

So before the inspection, before the appraisal, before you write the check: get the water-rights file from the county, spend a few hours with the title company and the water office, and talk to the neighbors. Find out what you are actually buying.
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