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wheat berries vs flour -- shelf life, grinders, the real tradeoff
Ruth_Alden
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#1▸ Posted: 04 Feb 1999, 09:12 GMT
Been thinking about this for a while now and I think it deserves its own thread. If you are serious about long-term storage you have probably hit the same wall I did: flour goes bad. White flour maybe a year or two if you are lucky and keep it cool and dry. Whole grain flour is worse -- maybe six months before the oils in the germ go rancid and it tastes off. But wheat berries themselves, stored properly in food-grade buckets with oxygen absorbers, will keep 25 to 30 years. The tradeoff is obvious though. You need a grinder. And you need time to mill. I am trying to figure out if anyone here has found a setup that actually works without turning your kitchen into a grain mill every time you want to bake bread.
millhouse_72
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#2▸ Posted: 06 Feb 1999, 01:18 GMT
You are looking at this the right way. Hard red winter wheat is your workhorse -- higher protein, good for bread. Hard white wheat is milder, also stores well. I buy 50-pound bags from local grain elevators out here, usually 15 to 20 dollars a bag if you know where to ask. The weevil thing is real though. First time I stored grain I did not think about it and found them six months later. Now I freeze everything first -- a few days in a regular freezer to kill anything that might be in there -- then into food-grade buckets with airtight lids and oxygen absorbers. Mylar bags inside the buckets if you want to be thorough. The beetles will not survive that.
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Garrett_K
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#3▸ Posted: 07 Feb 1999, 17:25 GMT
Hand mill versus electric is the question nobody wants to ask. An electric mill is fast -- a batch of berries into flour in minutes. But when the power goes out or you do not have access to electricity, you are stuck. I have got a hand-crank mill and I will be honest, it is an arm workout. Grinding enough for a loaf takes 20 to 30 minutes depending on the mill and how fine you want it. But it works and it does not depend on anything except your own effort. If you are betting on long-term storage you should keep a hand mill as backup. The electric one is nice for everyday rotation but do not let it be your only option.
Lindgren
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#4▸ Posted: 09 Feb 1999, 09:31 GMT
The practical answer is a mix. Store most of your grain as berries -- that is where you get the real shelf life. But keep a smaller rotating supply of flour for everyday baking so you are not grinding every single time. Maybe a bag of flour you use and replenish every six months. That way you get the long-term security of stored berries and the convenience of fresh flour on hand. It also means you do not have to learn the grinder all at once. You can practice milling when you have time instead of being forced to figure it out when you are hungry.
Frieda_M
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#5▸ Posted: 11 Feb 1999, 01:38 GMT
My mother left me her old hand-crank mill when she passed and I have actually been using it. Fresh-milled flour is different from store flour -- nuttier, grainier at first, thirstier. You need a little more water in your dough than with commercial flour. The first time I milled berries and baked with them I did not adjust the recipe and the bread came out dense. Once I understood the flour absorbs more liquid, everything worked. It takes practice but it is satisfying. There is something about grinding your own grain that makes you understand food better.
three generations of bread
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#6▸ Posted: 12 Feb 1999, 17:44 GMT
Small note if anyone reading this is at altitude: fresh-milled flour behaves differently than store flour up here, and I am not sure how much is the milling and how much is the altitude. My recipes needed adjustment anyway, but fresh grain seems more sensitive. Just mention it in case someone has stored berries and tries to mill them for the first time in a mountain town without expecting differences. It still works, just something to know going in.
Ruth_Alden
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#7▸ Posted: 14 Feb 1999, 09:51 GMT
This has been really helpful. I think I am settling on storing wheat berries as my main supply and getting a good hand mill as backup. I will keep a smaller amount of regular flour on rotation for everyday use so the hand mill does not become a burden. The key seems to be accepting that you need the tool and the time, but that is the actual tradeoff for having flour that lasts. Freeze first, seal tight, oxygen absorbers. Berries for depth, flour for everyday, hand mill as the insurance policy. That seems solid.
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