 New Member ◆ Posts: 26 Joined: May 1998 From: Oregon, US |
#1▸ Posted: 12 Aug 1997, 09:12 CET
Well, it has been a year since I finished digging out that root cellar under the new place, and I figured it was time to take stock of what I got right and what I got spectacularly wrong. A year ago I was so proud of myself -- finally had some land, some space, and the idea of storing our own food felt like the real thing. Still does, mostly. But I have learned a few hard lessons.
The big win: I actually finished it. Dug most of it by hand, shored it up, got shelves in. The vegetables that went in -- carrots, beets, potatoes from the summer -- kept well enough through winter.
The disaster: water. I did not think about drainage the way I should have. Come April, I had seepage along the back wall and the floor was damp enough that I was genuinely worried about rot. Also condensation -- the air gets thick in there. And the mice found their way in and had themselves a party in my stored squash. So I am here asking for real advice. Anyone dealt with these? Or should I just accept that my first year was a learning year?
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#2▸ Posted: 13 Aug 1997, 23:57 CET
Hannah, you have put your finger on the three things that stop most people cold. Water, air, and critters. The good news is all three are fixable, and none of them are your fault for not knowing.
Ventilation first, since it solves half your problems. You want air moving, but slowly. Cool air comes in low, warm air goes out high. A pipe in the foundation near the floor, angled slightly up, with a screen on the outside to keep mice out. And a vent near the roof level to let warm air escape. The condensation you are seeing is dead air. Once you get a little circulation, the walls dry out fast.
The water problem is separate and harder, but not impossible. Do not ignore it -- water is patient and it always wins if you let it. What are you storing right now, and how is it holding up?
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 Member ◆◆ Posts: 430 Joined: Aug 2000 From: County Clare, IE |
#3▸ Posted: 15 Aug 1997, 14:42 CET
Frieda is right about the ventilation. But Hannah, you also need to think about what you are storing and what those crops need. A good cellar holds around 32 to 40 degrees -- cold enough that things sleep but do not freeze. Humidity high, 85 to 95 percent, which sounds wet but it keeps vegetables from shriveling. Potatoes like it closer to 40, apples closer to 32.
Here is the thing most people miss: apples give off ethylene gas as they ripen, and that gas makes everything around them age faster. Keep the apples in a separate corner, or do not store them with anything else at all. I check my cellar once a week, just walk through, feel the walls. Five minutes. That is how you catch problems before they spread.
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#4▸ Posted: 17 Aug 1997, 05:27 CET
I want to ask the practical question that gets missed. Hannah, why a root cellar instead of canning? Or both? I do both, and they solve different problems. A root cellar buys you months -- fresh potatoes in February, carrots in March. But it is only months. Canning buys you years. A jar of tomatoes from this summer will be fine next summer, and the one after.
I do not mean you wasted your time with the cellar. You did not. I am just saying if you fix the water and the air, you have got a tool for fresh storage. Good to have. But do not let it become the only tool you rely on.
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#5▸ Posted: 18 Aug 1997, 20:12 CET
The water thing is straightforward once you know what to do. The seepage is groundwater or runoff finding a way in, and the fix is to give it a place to go that is not your floor. Dig a sump pit near the lowest corner -- two feet square and two feet deep is enough. Line it with gravel and broken rock so water settles there instead of on your floor. Slope a shallow channel toward it.
Before that, though, see where the water actually comes in. Do it on the next rainy day -- get down there and look for where it seeps through. That tells you whether you have a serious problem or just poor drainage. Most of the time it is the latter. And screen those vents Frieda mentioned -- half-inch mesh, staple gun.
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 Member ◆◆ Posts: 430 Joined: Aug 2000 From: County Clare, IE |
#6▸ Posted: 20 Aug 1997, 10:57 CET
One more thing while I am thinking of it -- those apples. If you do get some stored, wrap them in newspaper individually. Takes time but they keep longer, and if one goes bad it does not touch the others.
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#7▸ Posted: 22 Aug 1997, 01:43 CET
Hannah, I just wanted to say that what you have done is the real thing, and a year of learning is the way most of us start. My grandmother had a cellar dug into the hillside behind the old house, and I spent more than a few afternoons down there as a girl. The smell of it -- apples and cool earth and something like time itself, if that makes sense. She did not have perfect ventilation or perfect anything. But she had it, and it worked, and we ate well through the winter. You are going to fix the water. You are going to figure out the air. And next year you will store more, and do it better. I am glad there are still people out there digging cellars. Really glad.
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