 Member ◆◆ Posts: 410 Joined: Feb 2001 From: Denver CO, US |
#1▸ Posted: 20 Oct 1996, 09:12 PST
Alright, I want to put up rice and beans for a year -- real storage, not just bags in the pantry. I see a lot of chatter about mylar and oxygen absorbers but nobody spells out the actual procedure: what size bags, how many absorbers per gallon, heat-seal vs. what, and what actually fails. I'm not looking for doom talk, just the method that works. Has anyone actually done a year's worth and opened it after six months to see if it kept? What went wrong?
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 Member ◆◆◆ Posts: 188 Joined: Jan 1996 From: Vermont, US |
#2▸ Posted: 21 Oct 1996, 20:36 PST
Start with food-grade mylar bags -- the thick ones, 5-mil or better, not the thin stuff. Get 1-gallon bags for rice, 2-gallon for beans (you use less beans per meal). Oxygen absorbers come in cc sizes: for a 1-gallon mylar bag you want 300cc, for 2-gallon use 500cc. The packets will say.
Fill your mylar with dry rice or beans, leave an inch of headspace. Drop in the absorber packet. Fold the top down and seal it with a clothes iron on medium heat, running the seal twice to make sure it holds. The bag should go hard in a few hours as the oxygen gets pulled out.
Then bag that sealed mylar into a food-grade 5-gallon bucket with a gamma lid. Label and date it clearly -- month and year. Store in a cool place, not on concrete (concrete pulls moisture). White rice keeps for twenty, thirty years easy. Brown rice goes rancid in a couple years because of the oil in the bran, so stick with white. Beans get harder over time but they'll still cook, takes longer boiling, but you'll eat them.
The real failure is moisture. If your seal wasn't good, or if the absorber wasn't big enough, you'll see condensation inside the bag within weeks. That's when things mold. Second failure is temperature swings -- avoid hot attics and damp basements. Keep it dark and steady if you can.
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 Member ◆◆ Posts: 71 Joined: Mar 1997 From: Kansas, US |
#3▸ Posted: 23 Oct 1996, 08:01 PST
Second on the buckets. Get the gamma lids, not the flat ones. They seal way better and you can actually reopen them without destroying them. Store buckets off the concrete floor -- milk crates, wooden pallets, something. Concrete wicks moisture up from the ground and it will wick right up into your bucket.
Also: mice. A sealed mylar inside a sealed bucket is fine, but if you stack your buckets and leave gaps, rodents will nest in there anyway. Keep the area clean and don't give them cardboard to hide in. I've seen a bucket stored in a garage that looked perfect from the outside and mice had gotten into the gap between buckets. They didn't get into the mylar (sealed is sealed) but they made a mess.
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 Member ◆◆◆ Posts: 131 Joined: Jun 1996 From: Minnesota, US |
#4▸ Posted: 24 Oct 1996, 19:26 PST
Real talk: rice and beans only is going to bore you into trading away your preps by month two. You get calories but you're missing fat and you're missing salt and taste. Beans give you protein but they're also heavy on the gut alone, and you'll get tired of them.
If you're doing the rice and beans base, add a little salt to your storage, some oil (canned vegetable oil keeps fine, or olive oil in sealed tins), maybe some powdered milk or bullion cubes for flavor. Add some dried vegetables if you can get them. You can store those the same way in smaller mylar bags. It's the difference between eating and eating and being okay with eating. Don't skimp on the variety or you will actually regret it.
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 Member ◆◆ Posts: 59 Joined: Sep 1996 From: Montana, US |
#5▸ Posted: 26 Oct 1996, 06:51 PST
Before you buy a year's worth, do the math. Rice is cheap, beans are cheap, but bulk adds up. Figure out how many calories per person per day you actually need (this is not a small number -- around 2000-2500 if you're doing physical work), then back-calculate how many pounds of rice and beans per year. Then do a small test batch: buy five pounds of rice, five pounds of beans, seal it up, store it for two weeks in your conditions, then open it and cook it. See how it tastes, see if the seal held, see if your method actually works. Don't spend money on the full year without proving it first. Mistakes are cheap at five pounds.
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 Veteran Member ◆◆◆◆◆ Posts: 12,880 Joined: Oct 1998 From: Montana, US |
#6▸ Posted: 27 Oct 1996, 18:16 PST
One more thing: you need to eat this. Store what you eat, eat what you store. If you don't normally cook rice and beans, don't assume you'll suddenly know how when it matters. Cook with it, get your family used to the taste, use it for regular meals, and replace what you use. Fresh rice tastes better and you won't feel like you're eating "survival food" when you grab from the storage. It also means your oldest stock rotates out naturally instead of sitting forever and wondering if it's still good.
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 Member ◆◆ Posts: 71 Joined: Mar 1997 From: Kansas, US |
#7▸ Posted: 29 Oct 1996, 05:41 PST
One more point on the buckets -- if you're stacking them, keep them in rows so you can actually get to them, not a wall of buckets three deep where the back ones are impossible to move. You'll forget what's in there. And keep an inventory. Write down: five buckets white rice, three buckets pinto beans, two buckets black beans, whatever. A spreadsheet, a notebook, doesn't matter. You will lose track otherwise.
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 Member ◆◆ Posts: 59 Joined: Sep 1996 From: Montana, US |
#8▸ Posted: 30 Oct 1996, 17:06 PST
Second the inventory idea. I've seen people get a few buckets stored and two years later they've moved twice and forgotten where half of it is. Keep the list somewhere you actually look at -- next to the food, or in a drawer in the kitchen, not in some file you'll never open.
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