 Resident Skeptic ◆◆◆◆◆ Posts: 16,720 Joined: Apr 1998 From: Chicago, US |
#1▸ Posted: 12 Sep 1999, 09:12 GMT
I have been reading about home canning and want to preserve some meat -- venison mostly, and maybe some chicken. But I keep running into warnings about botulism and I want to understand the actual rules, not just "it's dangerous" hand-waving. What is the real difference between a water bath canner and a pressure canner? Why can't I use the same method for meat that people use for tomatoes and jam? I would rather know exactly what I am doing wrong than guess. Has anyone here actually done this successfully, and what are the hard rules?
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#2▸ Posted: 13 Sep 1999, 23:15 GMT
You are asking exactly the right questions. The difference is acid, and the danger is real but entirely avoidable if you follow the rules.
Water bath canners reach about 212 degrees Fahrenheit. That kills most bacteria, but NOT the spores that cause botulism. Those spores need a pressure canner, which reaches 240-250 degrees under pressure. Low-acid foods -- meat, vegetables, soups -- MUST use a pressure canner. Period. This is not negotiable.
Here are the hard rules: Use a pressure canner rated for your stove (dial or weighted gauge). Fill it with 2-3 inches of water. Pack your jars hot, with hot meat, leaving 1 and 1/4 inch headspace -- measure it. Use new lids every time. Process at the correct PSI for your altitude (if you are above sea level, this matters). Process for the full time the recipe calls for -- do not shorten it. After processing, let the pressure come down naturally. Do not cool it fast.
When in doubt, throw it out. If a jar seals but looks wrong later -- cloudiness, gas bubbles, spurting liquid -- discard it without opening. Botulism is odorless and invisible. Your nose will not save you.
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#3▸ Posted: 15 Sep 1999, 13:19 GMT
Ruth is right on the processing. I will add: label everything with the date and contents. Store in a cool, dark place -- basement is ideal, 50-70 degrees. Do not store above a furnace or in direct sun. Rotate stock so older jars get used first. Check jars before opening for signs of spoilage -- seal intact, no discoloration, no settling or separation inside. Keep a simple log of what you canned and when. If something looks off, it costs a jar to be safe.
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#4▸ Posted: 17 Sep 1999, 03:23 GMT
I understand the fear. Botulism sounds like a death sentence, but the truth is this: done by the rules, home canning is completely safe. People have preserved meat this way for a very long time. The rules exist because we now understand WHY they work, not because canning is inherently risky. If you follow Ruth's protocol exactly, you will have shelf-stable, safe meat. The worry you feel now is actually the thing that will keep you safe -- it means you are taking it seriously.
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#5▸ Posted: 18 Sep 1999, 17:27 GMT
I have been canning meat for fifteen years, mostly elk and venison. Ruth's rules are correct down to the letter. One thing I will add: have your pressure canner gauge tested if it is a dial gauge. Most county extension offices will do this for free or very cheap. A gauge that reads even 5 PSI off makes a difference. I had mine tested two years ago and it was running low -- would have been dangerous without knowing it. A weighted gauge is less prone to drift, but either way, check it. Process times are not guesses. They exist because someone measured the temperature inside a jar at depth and timed how long it takes to kill the spores. Follow that time. Your venison will be good, and it will be safe.
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#6▸ Posted: 20 Sep 1999, 07:31 GMT
Honestly, I think people worry too much. My grandmother canned meat in a regular pot for sixty years and never got sick. She just made sure it smelled good and looked normal. You can tell if something is bad by the smell. I would not waste money on a fancy pressure canner for this.
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 Member ◆◆◆ Posts: 188 Joined: Jan 1996 From: Vermont, US |
#7▸ Posted: 21 Sep 1999, 21:35 GMT
I need to say this clearly: this is dangerous advice and I hope no one here acts on it. Botulism toxin is odorless and tasteless. You cannot smell it. You cannot taste it. Your grandmother may have been lucky, but luck is not a food safety protocol. Many people have become very ill or died from botulism in home-canned meat because they trusted their senses instead of following the science. A pressure canner is not a luxury -- it is the one tool that makes the difference between safe food and a hospital visit. If you cannot afford one, buy shelf-stable canned meat from the store instead. Do not guess with your family's health.
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#8▸ Posted: 23 Sep 1999, 11:39 GMT
Thank you. This is exactly what I needed -- the rules, the why, and the clear statement about what kills the danger. I am going to get a pressure canner, test the gauge, and follow Ruth's protocol to the letter. I would rather be paranoid and alive than relaxed and wrong.
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