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bug-out bag vs staying put -- the logistics nobody wants to hear
Dale_Rourke
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#1▸ Posted: 03 Feb 1998, 09:12 MST
I keep reading threads where people talk about their bug-out bags like they're a golden ticket to safety. Load up the pack, head to the cabin, problem solved. Nobody wants to do the math on it.

Let's be honest: most of us do not have a known, stocked location waiting. We have a bag. And if we're moving on foot -- which we will be if roads are impassable -- we're moving maybe 3 mph in decent conditions, carrying maybe 30-40 pounds if we're fit. Water alone is 8 pounds per gallon. You cannot carry enough water for three days of foot travel. You cannot carry enough food.

Meanwhile, your house is still standing. Your neighbors are still there. Water from the tap, or a well, or rain collection that doesn't require you to backpack it in. Food in the pantry. Walls that don't weigh 40 pounds.

I'm not saying never bug out. I'm saying most people should be asking: why am I leaving? Where am I going? Can I actually get there? If the honest answer is "I don't know, the woods somewhere," then you're not bugging out. You're just homeless with a backpack. Let's talk logistics instead of fantasy.
Garrett_K
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#2▸ Posted: 04 Feb 1998, 22:55 MST
Dale's right. I live off-grid. I have a place. I have water systems, food stores, tools, shelter that doesn't depend on a battery or a tank of gas. I STILL didn't pack a bag and walk into the woods. I spent years building something and maintaining it.

The fantasy is that you can just leave and survive. Survival isn't bugging out. Survival is preparation. It's boring. It's canning tomatoes in August and splitting firewood in July and maintaining systems when nothing's wrong so they work when it matters.

If you don't have a destination, you have a death march, not a bug-out plan.
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BugOutBarb
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#3▸ Posted: 06 Feb 1998, 12:38 MST
I'm going to eat some crow here.

My handle suggests I'm the "bug out at the first sign of trouble" type, and I was, years ago. I read too many novels. I had maps and gear and I was ready to go. But I've worked through actual scenarios, and I've come around.

There are cases where you have to leave. Fire approaching your town. Chemical spill. Flood. Actual mandatory evacuation. In those cases, yes, a bag matters. But those are specific scenarios with known threats.

For everything else -- supply disruption, unrest, the slow stuff that keeps most of us up at night -- the math says stay and prepare. Stay with your neighbors. Stay where you have leverage. I'm keeping my bag, but it's a 72-hour kit for the scenarios that actually make me leave, not a fantasy ticket to the mountains.
Brandt_E
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#4▸ Posted: 08 Feb 1998, 02:21 MST
I've moved a platoon on foot. I've also moved a family across two counties when we had to leave our old place.

A platoon is fit, trained, carrying only what they can use immediately, no dependents. Now add a wife. Add a child who gets tired at mile four. Add an elderly parent who walks two miles an hour and needs rest. Add a dog. Add someone with asthma who needs medication. That's reality for most people.

You are not moving forty miles in a day. You are moving five. You are stopping constantly. The military approach works for a combat load. It does not work for a family. The people saying "I'll just head to the mountains" have not spent twelve hours managing a child with blisters and a spouse's low blood sugar while you're still in the suburbs.
Vern_T
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#5▸ Posted: 09 Feb 1998, 16:04 MST
Water weight will kill you. It just will.

You need one gallon per person per day minimum. One gallon is eight pounds. Two people, two days, that's 32 pounds of water before you add anything else. That's half your pack weight, and you still don't have food, shelter, or tools.

Tablets, filters, boiling -- sure. But they take time and have failure points, and if you're on the move in terrain you don't know, you're either drinking from sources you're not sure about or carrying that weight. This is why staying put matters. You solve the water problem before the crisis, not on a timer.
Lindgren
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#6▸ Posted: 11 Feb 1998, 05:47 MST
I still think the bag has a place, but not the place most people give it.

A 72-hour kit is sensible. It's not a survival rig. It's insurance for the scenarios where you have to move fast -- fire, flood, evacuation order. Grab the bag, grab the family, get to a car or a shelter. You don't need to live on it. You need to make it through a night or two while things sort out.

The mistake is right-sizing. People load these packs like a three-week expedition, then wonder why they can't move with it. A real 72-hour bag is light: water treatment, minimal food, a change of clothes, documents, medication. It's a bridge, not a destination.
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#7▸ Posted: 12 Feb 1998, 19:30 MST
You're all planning to fail. When the real one hits, you'll wish you had a cabin in the mountains and the supplies to reach it. Cities are going to be death traps. You know it. I know it. We're all just pretending the suburbs are safe because we live there.
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#8▸ Posted: 14 Feb 1998, 09:13 MST
I want to push back on something underneath all of this.

There's a piece nobody says out loud: if you stay, you stay with your neighbors. You're not alone. The family two doors down knows you have tools. You know they have medical training. The older fellow across the street has a generator. The woman next door has a garden.

If you leave -- if you're actually executing a bug-out in a real crisis -- you're leaving all of that behind. You're an outsider now, passing through territory you don't know, where people don't know you. That's a vulnerability. No standing, no relationships, no information about what's ahead on the road.

The fantasy of bugging out is that you escape. The reality of staying put is that you don't have to escape alone.
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