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The spine of it: one contractor, six departments, 1947 to 1991
redthread_Roland
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#1▸ Posted: 02 Mar 2002, 03:12 EST
I have spent ten years and four filing cabinets on this and I am going to lay out the spine of it once, here, and let you tell me where the string is too tight.

Start with a 1947 procurement line for "weather balloon" magnesium in quantities no balloon program could use. Follow the same contractor through a 1953 cancelled aircraft program, a 1961 budget line that simply vanishes from one fiscal year to the next, a 1974 environmental waiver at a site that does not officially exist, and a 1991 surplus auction of equipment whose serial prefix matches the 1953 cancellation. Same prefix. Forty years apart.

I am not telling you what it MEANS. I am telling you the same thread of yarn runs through six departments that are not supposed to talk to each other. You do not get that by accident. You get that by a program that changed its name every time it changed its cover.
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MUFON_Gail
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#2▸ Posted: 27 Mar 2002, 10:40 EST
Roland, I have read your stuff for years and I want this to be real, which is exactly why I am going to be the annoying one. Two of your six links I can stand behind because I have pulled the same documents. The serial-prefix match is the weak rivet: surplus serial prefixes get reused, recycled, and reassigned constantly, and a prefix collision across forty years is the kind of thing that happens by sheer volume, not design. Before you build the cathedral on that rivet, can you get the actual property records, not the auction catalogue? The catalogue is a summary. The property card is the evidence.
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redthread_Roland
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#3▸ Posted: 21 Apr 2002, 02:55 EST
Gail this is why I post here and nowhere else. You are right that the prefix is the weak rivet. I have requested the property cards twice and been told "no responsive records," which -- and I know how this sounds -- is itself a data point, because "destroyed on schedule" and "no responsive records" are different denials and they used the second one.

I will grant you the cathedral is bigger than the rivets can hold. But pull on ANY single thread and it goes somewhere it should not. That is the part I cannot make innocent. Ten years and every loose end ties to another loose end.
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Occams_Razorback
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#4▸ Posted: 17 May 2002, 13:20 CST
Roland, in good faith: a sufficiently large pile of government paper will let you draw ANY shape you like, because bureaucracy is vast, redundant, badly indexed, and forty years deep. "Every loose end ties to another" is not evidence of a hidden program; it is the expected property of a big enough archive and a patient enough reader. The test is not whether the dots CAN be connected -- they always can -- it is whether your connection predicts a document you have not read yet. Name one. Tell us what the property card WILL say before you get it. If you are right, that is worth more than the whole wall.
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redthread_Roland
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#5▸ Posted: 11 Jun 2002, 01:18 EST
A prediction. Alright. You want a prediction, I will give you one and you can hang me with it.

The property card, if it ever surfaces, will show a transfer in 1974 to a "reclamation" account at the waiver site, NOT a destruction. And the reclamation account will have no closing entry. That is my dot, drawn before the card. If it shows clean destruction with a date and a signature, I will take the wall down and say so in this thread. I mean that. Ten years and I have never once been asked to bet ahead of the paper. It is a better question than the believers ask me and a better question than the debunkers usually ask. Give me time to file again.
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norfolk_rambler
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#6▸ Posted: 06 Jul 2002, 20:30 GMT
roland im just a man who walks footpaths but i have been reading this and i want to say the bit nobody else will. you are doing all this in the open, on a board, with your method written down. that is the most watched thing a man can do. i am not saying stop. i am saying the people who photograph me on the coast path are not interested in a rambler, and they are very interested in a man with four cabinets and a prediction. mind how you file. thats all.
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