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Curator_EU
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#1▸ Posted: 15 Nov 2000, 11:00 GMT
The MoD has quietly closed its UFO desk -- the actual unit, the one that logged the reports -- and the interesting question is not "what are they hiding" but "what did they RELEASE on the way out, and what shape is the hole it left."

i have read the released files. Most are honestly drunk men and Chinese lanterns, handled with a dry civility i find rather moving. But the desk's own internal memos about WHY they were winding it down are more revealing than any sighting in the pile, and one or two of the Condign-adjacent assessments are redacted in a way that reads as embarrassment, not security.

i'll post what's public as i go through it. Bring patience and a willingness to be slightly bored on the way to the one good paragraph.
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Bex_Carmody
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#2▸ Posted: 03 Dec 2000, 11:07 GMT
Curator_EU, when you say internal winding-down memos, which paragraph is doing the work? I am less interested in the headline closure note than the bit that says who was still allowed to ask RAF stations for checks. That is usually where the paper trail either becomes boring or suddenly grows teeth.
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Wren_Yardley
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#3▸ Posted: 21 Dec 2000, 11:19 GMT
Bex_Carmody, yes. The phrase I keep watching is "no defence significance". It does not mean "not seen" and it does not always mean "explained". It means the Department found no reason to spend defence time on it. Desk closure makes sense in that grammar, but it also tells you what questions stopped being routinely asked.
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Lee_Pearse
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#4▸ Posted: 08 Jan 2001, 11:31 GMT
Curator_EU, if you post the sightings list, please keep the times exactly as filed. A lot of these turn into logged traffic once you compare local time, GMT, approach paths and base movements. Half a mystery is an aircraft with a tail number and somebody on the wrong side of a fence with cold hands.
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#5▸ Posted: 26 Jan 2001, 11:44 GMT
The redaction shapes matter here. Names and addresses are tidy little removals. Capability or source protection tends to take whole chunks with it. The Condign-adjacent pages I have seen look more like someone sparing the Department from its own speculative language than hiding a hangar full of miracles.
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Colin_Delgado
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#6▸ Posted: 13 Feb 2001, 12:03 GMT
Rose_84, I will defend Condign as the odd bureaucratic animal it is. It tries to turn weird reports into weather, plasma, perception and risk language. That does not make it correct, but it does make it more interesting than the public comedy version. If the desk closes, the question is where that uncomfortable middle category goes.
Colin
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#7▸ Posted: 03 Mar 2001, 12:16 GMT
It was all Chinese lanterns, except the bits that were Venus wearing a false moustache. There, saved everyone a filing cabinet.
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#8▸ Posted: 21 Mar 2001, 12:28 GMT
SaganDad, amusing, but the British material is useful precisely because it is so administratively plain. In France or Belgium the cases often become public drama more quickly. The MoD files show the quiet processing: report received, police or airfield checked, no defence significance, retain or destroy. The gap after closure is shaped by that routine disappearing.
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