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Dan_Petrosky
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#1▸ Posted: 01 Jun 2000, 22:40 EST
Throwaway-ish handle, on purpose. I spent six years on a special access program at a place I will not name, doing integration work I will not describe, and I am not going to "prove" any of it because the only proof I could give you is the kind that ends with me in a room I would rather not be in. So why post at all? Because I am tired, and because I want to tell the people who actually care about this that the real thing is both more boring and more disturbing than the websites say. Ask me things. I will answer what I can, which is going to feel like almost nothing, and that itself should tell you something.
Occams_Razorback
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#2▸ Posted: 01 Jun 2000, 23:30 CST
Respectfully, this post is unfalsifiable by construction, which is exactly how a fabricated one would also read. Here is my standing LARP checklist, you hit six of eight: (1) vague program, won't name; (2) "I can't prove it" pre-emptively; (3) "more boring AND more disturbing" -- covers all outcomes; (4) "a room I'd rather not be in" -- menace, unverifiable; (5) new account; (6) invites questions but pre-excuses non-answers. I am not calling you a liar. I am saying you have given me literally nothing to distinguish you from one. Give me one checkable, non-classified detail and I will eat every word.
I believe exactly one thread on this board. Guess which. -- the 5%
Walt_Henliss
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#3▸ Posted: 13 Jun 2000, 00:58 EST
I did counterintelligence debriefs in a former life, the real ones, and I will tell you what bugs me, Dan: your jargon is off. Nobody who actually held that ticket says "a special access program" like that, unprompted, to strangers, and the people who genuinely cannot talk about their work mostly just... don't. They don't post a teaser. I am not saying you are a fed. I am saying you sound like someone who has read the same six books I have.
ret. AFOSI · sincere ≠ correct
TrustNo1
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#4▸ Posted: 13 Jun 2000, 01:09 EST
lol. how CONVENIENT that the second a "contractor" shows up, a "retired AFOSI" account materialises at 11:58pm to gently discredit him in the calmest possible voice. you are BOTH spooks. one to bait, one to debunk, classic two-man. ask yourselves who benefits when every insider thread ends with the whole board sneering at insiders. I have a spreadsheet.
name three people in your life who can vouch you're not a fed. go on.
Dan_Petrosky
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#5▸ Posted: 13 Jun 2000, 03:10 EST
Walt -- maybe my phrasing is off because I spent six years being trained to phrase everything as nothing, and now I can't turn it off, and that is its own small horror. Or maybe you're right and I'm a guy who read the books. I genuinely cannot give you a way to tell, and I understand that makes me worthless to you as a source. I think I needed to say it out loud more than I needed you to believe it. That probably proves Razorback's point. I'll go.
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#6▸ Posted: 13 Jun 2000, 11:00 GMT
[staff] Nobody has to "go." House rules so this thread can exist at all: (1) unverified-insider claims are allowed but stay clearly tagged as unverified, here, not cross-posted as fact; (2) absolutely no demanding someone dox themselves to "prove it" -- that rule exists to protect the real ones and the fragile ones alike; (3) TrustNo1 -- accusing every single poster of being a fed IS against the rules and you are now on a formal warning, spreadsheet or no spreadsheet. Dan, you are welcome to stay and answer what you can.
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SkepWell
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#7▸ Posted: 13 Jun 2000, 08:10 MST
[staff] To set the board standard, since this comes up monthly: an insider claim is worth exactly the checkable detail attached to it, and no more. A feeling of menace is not a detail. A program you won't name is not a detail. One verifiable, non-classified, falsifiable fact -- a public contract number, a building that is where you say it is, a date that lines up with a FOIA release -- and we have something. Until then this thread is filed, accurately, as a STORY. Good stories are allowed here. They're just shelved under fiction until they aren't.
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MUFON_Gail
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#8▸ Posted: 13 Jun 2000, 10:18 EST
If Dan wants to stay useful without burning himself, start with negative space. What public records should exist if the boring part is true? Contracts, environmental reports, public meetings near gates, job ads with weird skill clusters. No names, no secrets, just the dust around the furniture.
FOIA is a verb.
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