 Member ◆◆◆ Posts: 168 Joined: Feb 1997 From: Washington, DC, US |
#1▸ Posted: 05 Aug 1997, 09:12 PST
Has anyone been tracking the Aurora rumors with the same rigor we apply to the budget line itself? The 1985 defense appropriations document lists a line item for "Aurora" -- that much is real, the document exists. What follows is where we have to be careful.
The segmented contrail reports from southern California starting around 91 into 92 are genuine citizen accounts. The "donuts on a rope" description is consistent across multiple independent observers. Aviation Week ran a piece in 95. The sonic booms -- the "skyquakes" -- were felt and timed across a wide area. These are facts. What they prove is not a straight line.
The hypothesis: a hypersonic reconnaissance platform, SR-71 successor class, pulse-detonation or ramjet. But "suggestive" is not "proof." We have a line item, eyewitness reports, engineering plausibility. We do not have wreckage, a defector, a thermal signature, or a direct photograph. Let us lay out what we know and what we are guessing.
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#2▸ Posted: 06 Aug 1997, 19:45 PST
I work in the sensor field, not defense, so take that as my scope. A segmented contrail at altitude suggests oscillating thrust, multiple engine events, or shock-cell stratification in the exhaust plume. The last one is not exotic -- you can see it on high-altitude aircraft in certain atmospheric layers.
The skyquakes in the 91-92 window are worth examining. Boom reports cluster in space and time. But booms do not require an exotic aircraft; they require supersonic flight, and we have known supersonic aircraft. To rule out the mundane case you need a flight profile that contradicts known performance, or timing that fits no schedule we know. Has anyone collated the actual times and locations? Regular cadence suggests an operation; random and sparse suggests known aircraft on unusual profiles. Separate the data from the interpretation.
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#3▸ Posted: 08 Aug 1997, 06:19 PST
On propulsion: a pulse-detonation engine would absolutely produce the kind of segmented contrail described. The engine cycles -- detonation, purge, recharge -- and each pulse has a thrust event. At high altitude and low temperature, each pulse could condense a visible segment. The spacing would reflect the detonation frequency and the speed.
Could you build a hypersonic recon platform this way? Yes. The aerodynamics are painful -- waverider shapes, inlets that work across a huge speed range, thermal protection -- but it is doable on paper. Whether anyone did build it, and whether what was built is what we saw over California, are different questions. The contrails are consistent with pulse-detonation. "Consistent with" is where I stop and honest-broker it: it does not prove the thing.
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#4▸ Posted: 09 Aug 1997, 16:53 PST
I want to push back gently on the plausibility argument, because plausibility is cheap. Yes, you can build a hypersonic platform. The real question is cost and need. If Aurora exists it is not a one-off; it is a sustained commitment -- a cadre, basing, sensors, intelligence integration. That means contracts and footprints in the industrial base and the budget.
The line item is real, but it is not enough on its own to develop and field a hypersonic fleet. You would need additional buried lines. Possible -- but here is the artifact problem: thirty years of operation and no physical trace, no dropped part, no photograph, no maintenance leak. That is either exceptional security or it is not flying.
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#5▸ Posted: 11 Aug 1997, 03:27 PST
I live near the ranges and I have paid attention. The skyquakes happened -- I felt them, logged some, and my times match other people's reports. The rumble and the boom are real.
What I did not see was anything I could call an aircraft. I have decent optics and I have looked. On the occasions I heard the boom loudest and could sweep the sky, I saw nothing. That does not prove it was not there -- it could have been high or fast enough that I missed it. But I will not invent a sighting. The segmented contrails: I saw some, and I also saw what could be the same effect on a tanker at an odd angle on a strange-light day. Something unusual happened in those years. I cannot tell you it was exotic, and I will not pretend I can.
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#6▸ Posted: 12 Aug 1997, 14:01 PST
Let me crystallize the burden, because we are mixing categories. Facts: a 1985 budget line; segmented contrails reported 91-92; sonic booms in the same period; Aviation Week reporting. Inferences: there was an exotic aircraft; it was hypersonic, pulse-detonation or ramjet; it was the "Aurora" of the budget line.
Each inference depends on the previous one, and none is airtight. The contrails could be exotic, or known aircraft in unusual conditions, or both. The booms could be routine supersonic flight. The budget word could mean something else entirely. What would move the needle: a photograph with metadata, a defector, a decommissioned artifact, a flight profile that does not fit any known aircraft. Until then we are arranging coincidences into a narrative. That can point to where to look. It is not evidence, and we should say so.
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#7▸ Posted: 14 Aug 1997, 00:35 PST
This is all surface-level. They have had antigravity since the early 80s. Aurora is the cover story to keep the public focused on conventional hypersonics while the real programs fly on principles we do not understand. The budget lines are compartmentalized disinformation. Wake up.
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 Member ◆◆◆ Posts: 168 Joined: Feb 1997 From: Washington, DC, US |
#8▸ Posted: 15 Aug 1997, 11:09 PST
I think this thread has told us what we actually know and what we do not. The Aurora line exists. The contrails and booms were real phenomena and remain unexplained in any definitive sense. Whether they were a classified hypersonic platform, a mix of known aircraft and atmospheric effects, or something else, we cannot determine with the evidence at hand.
What strikes me is the honesty here. Gus did not invent a sighting. Dave did not overstate the engineering. Halvorsen did not wave away the cost. Reg asked for better data. The Aurora hypothesis remains plausible, the engineering checks out, the budget line is real, the phenomenon is real -- but plausibility and reality are not the same as proof. Until a document release, a confession, or a physical artifact, I will keep the file open and not confuse a good theory with a solved case.
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