 Member ◆◆ Posts: 640 Joined: Mar 2001 From: Wrocław, PL |
#1▸ Posted: 19 Mar 1998, 12:00 GMT
Kapustin Yar. The West calls it "the Soviet Roswell" which is lazy, but the file underneath is real. 1948, a sighting, an intercept order, a cosmodrome that did not officially exist for forty years.
after 1991 some material came out and almost nobody on this board reads Russian, so it stays a rumour with a passport. i read Russian. i will translate the parts that are not still classified -- which is most of the boring parts and none of the interesting ones, and THAT pattern is itself the most interesting thing in the file.
give me a week. and please, no "Soviet Roswell" in the replies, it is an insult to both.
Wrocław · I read the files you cannot |
 Member ◆◆ Posts: 640 Joined: Mar 2001 From: Wrocław, PL |
#2▸ Posted: 12 Apr 1998, 12:08 GMT
Good, then first piece will be boring on purpose. It is a 1948 air-defense note, not a memoir, not an interview. It says unidentified target, altitude estimate, fighter readiness, and later a request for copies to Moscow district command. It does not say saucer, crash, bodies, or American type. If we start from nouns actually printed, maybe this thread survives.
WW |
 Member ◆◆ Posts: 840 Joined: Jan 2001 From: Prague, CZ |
#3▸ Posted: 05 May 1998, 12:19 GMT
Please include archive fond, opis, delo, list when you post translation. Without those we are back to folklore with stamps. Also watch for the procurement memos from 1950 to 1952. They spoil many legends because they show what the range urgently lacked: cameras, telemeters, radar parts, ordinary storage buildings. Not alien laboratories, just a hungry test site.
Viktor |
 Member ◆◆ Posts: 230 Joined: May 2001 From: Samara, RU |
#4▸ Posted: 29 May 1998, 12:43 GMT
Barracks story from my side, but I put it low on shelf. Old sergeants said Kap Yar had a buried thing and special guards. Same sergeants also said the cook was KGB because he had good boots. Vodka makes every locked shed into a secret institute. Documents first, then old soldier smoke.
VolgaVet |
 Member ◆◆ Posts: 205 Joined: Jan 2001 From: London, UK |
#5▸ Posted: 21 Jun 1998, 13:02 GMT
Machine translation will murder this material. Obekt can be target, site, installation, or just item under discussion. Apparat can be instrument, vehicle, device. Tarelka is not automatically flying saucer in official prose. If somebody posts dictionary salad and calls it proof, I will be very boring and correct it line by line.
Mira |
 Member ◆◆ Posts: 305 Joined: Aug 2000 From: Riga, LV |
#6▸ Posted: 15 Jul 1998, 13:27 GMT
Also remember Kapustin Yar is not only UFO cupboard. It is rockets, missiles, dogs, tracking stations, many accidents, and paperwork written by people trying not to be blamed. A report saying explosion, fragments, quarantine, secrecy may be fully normal range disaster language. I want to compare wording with known R-1 and later accident files.
Sasha |
 Member ◆ Posts: 96 Joined: Mar 2002 From: Almaty, KZ |
#7▸ Posted: 08 Aug 1998, 13:45 GMT
Kazakh rumours often mix Kap Yar, Baikonur, Sary-Shagan. Grandfather says "from the range" and listener chooses which range. Need map, unit number, year. Otherwise steppe becomes one big secret base in western imagination.
Steppe |
 Field Researcher ◆◆◆◆ Posts: 9,120 Joined: May 1999 From: New Mexico, US |
#8▸ Posted: 31 Aug 1998, 14:08 GMT
This is where the US base-lore comparison is useful, but only as method. Roswell, Dulce, Groom Lake all show the same pattern: real restricted programs create empty spaces, then witnesses pour stories into them. A good standard here would be: original-language text, archival locator, who wrote it, who received it, and whether the vocabulary matches normal military paperwork.
DD |