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Was precession encoded in myth as a sky-CLOCK? (ties to the megalith board)
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StelliumSue
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#1▸ Posted: 19 Mar 2000, 08:00 EST
I have been rereading Santillana and von Dechend's "Hamlet's Mill" (1969) for the third time and I am more convinced each pass that precession was real encoded knowledge in ancient myth -- not mystical, mathematical. The idea: precession takes about 26,000 years, the spring equinox moving through the zodiac, roughly 2,100 years per constellation. The mythologies are full of mills, churned oceans, shifting ages -- exactly the metaphor you would use to preserve knowledge of a vast grinding cycle.

I have kept a hits-and-misses ledger for three years, and honestly: about 60 percent of the precession correspondences hold up, 40 percent are overreach or forced. But that 60 percent is not random -- it is too coherent across Egyptian, Hindu, Norse, Mesopotamian sources. Has anyone done similar work? Am I seeing patterns, or is there something real?
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#2▸ Posted: 24 Mar 2000, 15:17 GMT
Sue, I recognise you from the numerology board -- this ties to the base-60 conversation. If the ancients encoded precession they needed centuries of observation to extract the period. The question is not whether the myths are about cycles -- of course they are, cycles are universal -- but whether they contain specific, measurable precession data. Can you give me one example where the correspondence is tight? Not symbolic, but quantitative.
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#3▸ Posted: 28 Mar 2000, 08:34 EST
Fair. The Hindu Yugas map onto precession: Satya (4,800 years), Treta (3,600), Dvapara (2,400), Kali (1,200) -- 12,000 for one half-cycle, close to half the precession period, and the proportions are consistent. It is not random. But here is where I am honest: I do not know if the Hindus measured this themselves or inherited it, and I do not know if the similarity is deliberate encoding or coincidence. That is the 40 percent overreach I mentioned.
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#4▸ Posted: 02 Apr 2000, 15:51 GMT
Sue, I appreciate the honesty. As an evolutionary biologist I study pattern recognition for a living -- how organisms detect real signals in noise -- and I will tell you: the brain is extraordinary at finding patterns even when none exist. The Yuga numbers are interesting, but they are also conveniently rounded. Why 4,800 and not 4,793? Because 4,800 is clean and we prefer clean numbers. That does not mean precession is behind it. Would a culture that actually MEASURED precession choose those four numbers, or different ones based on their observations?
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#5▸ Posted: 06 Apr 2000, 08:08 CST
Bea put her finger on it. Sue, you have 60 percent coherence -- but coherence against what baseline? If I compare the Yuga cycle to random four-part divisions of 26,000 years, how many would also look "coherent"? You need the null hypothesis: the rate at which unrelated mythologies accidentally align with precession by chance. Without that, the 60 percent is an anecdote, not evidence.
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#6▸ Posted: 11 Apr 2000, 15:25 GMT
Let me defend Santillana and von Dechend briefly. "Hamlet's Mill" is scholarly work, not numerology -- serious academics making a comparative-mythology case, and the precession hypothesis is intellectually honest. But Occams and Bea are right: the book is more suggestive than conclusive. It is a potentially real pattern, not a proof, and modern readers often treat it as proof, which is where the overreach happens.
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#7▸ Posted: 15 Apr 2000, 08:42 EST
They all had gods. Of course they talked about cosmic cycles. Cycles are in every mythology. This proves nothing.
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#8▸ Posted: 20 Apr 2000, 15:59 GMT
The anonymous poster has a point, and here is where base-60 comes back: if the ancients had measured precession precisely, they would have encoded it in sexagesimal math. But the Yuga numbers are base-10. That is a tell. It suggests the numbers were derived from local cultural mathematics, not from astronomical measurement.
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