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#1▸ Posted: 12 Jan 1999, 09:12 EST
I've been reading through Sitchin's work again, and I keep running into the same wall: I can't tell which of his Sumerian translations are actually supported by the cuneiform versus where he's reading things in that just aren't there. He makes these claims with such confidence -- Nibiru as the 12th planet, the Anunnaki as literal space travelers, the King List as real chronology -- but when I look at what Sumerologists actually say about the same texts, the picture changes completely.
Has anyone here read Sumerian or Akkadian? I'm looking for people who can point me to where Sitchin's philology breaks down. Not to attack him -- I'm genuinely interested in what the tablets actually say versus what's been layered on top. What claims do survive honest translation?
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#2▸ Posted: 13 Jan 1999, 20:53 EST
Good question, Greta. I'll try to map out some of the big ones.
Start with "Nibiru." Sitchin builds his 12th planet thesis on this word appearing in Babylonian astronomy texts. But "Nibiru" in the actual tablets refers to a crossing-point on the ecliptic -- an astronomical concept, not a planet. It shows up in the Enuma Elish and in astronomical diaries, but the Assyriologists I've read don't translate it as a rogue planet. It's a marker, a point in the sky.
The Anunnaki -- he reads these as alien astronauts. But "Anunnaki" in the texts just means "those of heaven," the lower gods. They're part of the standard Mesopotamian pantheon. Not engineers landing in spaceships.
The King List numbers really are enormous. But comparative studies of other ancient king lists show that's a genre convention. Ancient societies inflated reign lengths. It doesn't mean Sitchin's literal reading is right. He's a clever reader, but he conflates possibility with evidence, and he cherry-picks words out of context.
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#3▸ Posted: 15 Jan 1999, 08:35 EST
Adrian's right on the King List. We see this pattern everywhere -- Egypt, China, Mesopotamia. The numbers are astronomically high by modern standards, but that's the convention of the genre, not evidence we need extraterrestrials. Some scholars think the numbers encode astronomical cycles, but nobody serious thinks Gilgamesh actually ruled 126 years.
Sitchin makes the King List sound like a smoking gun, but he's working backward from a conclusion he'd already decided on. The reigns are huge, therefore aliens. The simpler explanation is that ancient writers expressed kingship differently than we do.
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#4▸ Posted: 16 Jan 1999, 20:17 EST
What's bizarre is how Sitchin became mainstream belief. I'm doing research on Sumerian civilization for my thesis, and I've asked every Assyriologist and archaeologist I can find: does anyone in the field actually endorse Sitchin's translations? The answer is consistently no. Some are polite about it, some less polite. There's zero academic support for his version.
And yet walk into a bookstore and his stuff is everywhere. Why? Because it's more interesting than the real Sumerian civilization. Aliens are catchier than the development of writing and the first cities. The real history is incredible -- it just doesn't have spaceships in it.
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#5▸ Posted: 18 Jan 1999, 07:59 EST
I hear what you're all saying, and I respect the philology, but the parallels are striking. The similarities between Sumerian cosmology and later religious traditions, the way the Anunnaki stories echo in other cultures -- doesn't that suggest something? I'm not saying it's definitely aliens, but the dismissal seems too quick sometimes. And scholars do sometimes dismiss popular writers out of hand. Could there be an echo of truth underneath, even if his translations aren't perfect?
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#6▸ Posted: 19 Jan 1999, 19:40 EST
NIBIRU IS COMING and the scholars are paid to hide it. They don't want you to know the truth about the Anunnaki. Wake up.
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#7▸ Posted: 21 Jan 1999, 07:22 EST
Gita, that's exactly where Sitchin's method falls apart. He takes a single word -- Nibiru, say -- translates it his way, and builds an entire mythology on top of it. But you have to read words in context, across the whole corpus, and see what Sumerian-speakers actually meant. Sitchin picks the words that fit his narrative and doesn't engage with the places they don't fit.
That's not philology. That's confirmation bias with a dictionary. The coincidences are real, but you can find coincidences everywhere if you look hard enough. The question is whether the whole body of evidence supports the interpretation. It doesn't.
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#8▸ Posted: 22 Jan 1999, 19:04 EST
This happens in my field too. People do the same to the pyramid texts and the Book of the Dead. Someone decides the pyramids are power generators, or that secret astronomical knowledge is encoded in the proportions, and suddenly ancient builders are too smart to be human without outside help.
But when you read the texts and the archaeology carefully -- when you let the Egyptians speak in their own terms -- the picture is different. Not less impressive. More human, which is somehow more remarkable. Sitchin imposes a 20th-century framework, space travel and genetic engineering, onto a culture with completely different concerns. And he loses the actual genius in the process.
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